Belleayre closing due to layoffs

[skidbump]

Why can't they do both?

Trim the staff and get a handle on fraud..

Then cut everybody to the bone and revamp medicare/medicaid now not later.

Problem is they are not cutting everybody and i do not see or hear anything about medicare/medicaid fix

And yes ,DMV and DOT have planned layoffs but total layoffs for NYS is 898 plus early retirements.
Kinda thought i heard paterson to make layoff so cuomo wouldnt look like new bad guy which says to me hes not going to layoff anybody.

 

[dmc]

Then cut everybody to the bone and revamp medicare/medicaid now not later.

To the bone implies nothing..
These people are being given the opportunity to become seasonal employees..

it's better then some get today..

 

[millerm277]

Me , i would rather have the expense of a full timer versus the issues involved with 2 part timers who could possibly be new hires that need to be trained over and over. Also full timers usually have way fewer issues than part timers .

Sure, but what about the fact that most of these jobs don't take much training or skill to do? In that case, saving money and having the flexibility to not have to pay the people year round ("We don't need you for the months of June or July") or when things are slow, probably far outweighs the cost of training a guy for handful of hours in basic tasks.

 

[catskills]

To the bone implies nothing..
These people are being given the opportunity to become seasonal employees..

it's better then some get today..

This post gets the Ebenezer Scroodge award. Most of you on this thread should also get an Ebenezer Scroodge award. Happy Holidays - bah humbug

You Scroodge wantabees can call in and tell Gov Patterson what a great job he is doing.

Gov. Paterson to take calls on WAMC

 

[dmc]

This post gets the Ebenezer Scroodge award. Most of you on this thread should also get an Ebenezer Scroodge award. Happy Holidays - bah humbug

whatever dude... You think you know me... You don't...

I've been laid off before holidays before.. It sucks...

All I'm saying is at least they have options... Which is way better then no options..
With the saftey net - they'll receive unemployment... COBRA... and even retraining..

OR

they can take a seasonal job and probably keep COBRA benefits to hold them over...



You put a benefit together to support non-working families in the valley and I'll be the first one there... We do benefits for Greene county during the XMAS season.. No problem...
Here's last years letter of thanks..
http://www.powderhound.org/OTHER/toys4tots/2009/2010-CAofGC-Thankyou-small.jpg

 

[deadheadskier]

This post gets the Ebenezer Scroodge award. Most of you on this thread should also get an Ebenezer Scroodge award. Happy Holidays - bah humbug

You Scroodge wantabees can call in and tell Gov Patterson what a great job he is doing.

Gov. Paterson to take calls on WAMC

but people know full well that tourism in the catskills means seasonal employment. No one is entitled to a full time year round job. I moved away from Vermont as I wanted a full time year round job and there wasn't many there.

 

[dmc]

but people know full well that tourism in the catskills means seasonal employment. No one is entitled to a full time year round job. I moved away from Vermont as I wanted a full time year round job and there wasn't many there.

And thats why the Belleayre jobs were like gold around these parts... Everyone knew it
Those days are gone...

 

[dmc]

Maybe they can hold out for this...
http://online.wsj.com/article/AP1b7fb19d2496453bb564d9ec85d4aca4.html

ALBANY, N.Y. — A $400 million plan to build posh hotels high in the Catskill Mountains near an existing ski center has been knocking around since 1999. Supporters say it would bring tourists, jobs and money into the woodsy area and make it a first-class "ski destination."

But after 11 years — or more than half of Rip Van Winkle's famous 20-year nap in the storied mountains — there's still no approval for new construction near the state-run Belleayre Mountain Ski Center.

Developers say the proposal is still on track. Dean Gitter of Crossroads Ventures said they will submit crucial documents to the state within months.

"This is going to happen," Gitter said this week. "They have only one hope of reversing the economic slide of the last two decades, and that is tourism."

 

[snafu]

This post gets the Ebenezer Scroodge award. Most of you on this thread should also get an Ebenezer Scroodge award. Happy Holidays - bah humbug

You Scroodge wantabees can call in and tell Gov Patterson what a great job he is doing.

Gov. Paterson to take calls on WAMC

Call it what you want dude. Its the reality of the times, it should have been done SOONER and MORE cuts if you ask me, but I really have no dog in this fight, not a NY resident and I don't ski in the catskills. But I am a private business owner and a taxpayer, and that is where my view originates from.

If not wanting to pay more taxes for government excess makes me Scrooge McDuck, then so be it...I just want to see some sanity and parity between private/public workers compensation.

 

[ta&idaho]

This is my fourth year following Northeastern ski resort news, and I'm pretty sure this is at least the third year in a row that I've seen a thread entitled something like "BELLEYEARE TO CLOSE UNLESS XXXXX HAPPENSS!!!!!!!!!!" I support state-funded recreational opportunities, and I love to ski and ski cheaply (even Belleyare, although I agree with the DMCs of the world that Hunter + Plattekill trumps Belleayre almost all of the time), but this darn place is becoming the ski area that cried wolf. The thread was titled "Belleayre closing due to layoffs," and there is a thread just like it on Epicski, and neither thread contains any support for the claim made in the title. One of these days Belleayre will face a truly desperate budget situation and nobody who might otherwise be persuaded to fire off a letter or something will know the difference.

 

[ERJ-145CA]

I just want to see some sanity and parity between private/public workers compensation.

The politicians have been successful in creating the new "Welfare Mother", the "Public Worker". While there are examples of patronage jobs, outrageous salaries and great retirement benefits the average public worker makes less in salary than the equivalent private sector job and the benefits were supposed to make the job worth it.

While it's true that a lot of the benefits have gotten out of line there are many other ways to save taxpayer money which involves some tough choices but the easy way out is to demonize the "Public Worker". This keeps the constituency distracted from the real problems and makes for great soundbites and easy votes. Lets eliminate as many middle class jobs as we can so all that's left is the unemployed, the working poor and the wealthy. The middle class will be gone and who will the companies sell their cheap Made in China pieces of crap to.

 

[skidbump]

Object of post was to put info out.
Same with other with same story line.
Even with the negatives, the post produced the positives that were needed.

State has a obligation to the area surrounding the mountain.
News links and rumours were posted for people outside the area that ski there but really dont know whats going on at area "out of state"

Last 2 yrs posts with same basic story line were not crying wolf.Due to response from local and out of state skiers and local busines owners funds were restored and ski area operated at full capacity.

Same with Alpinezone and TGR.
All post were for same reason.

i am not here to judge.Not here to start a fight.I understand how some feel.But i needed to get the info out.

If they were to close i would just get a midweek pass at hunter "i dont hate hunter"and passes for jiminy peak.

I like Belleayre,ski it almost every day,and have made many friends.

 

[threecy]

While there are examples of patronage jobs, outrageous salaries and great retirement benefits the average public worker makes less in salary than the equivalent private sector job

 

[threecy]

Object of post was to put info out.
Same with other with same story line.
Even with the negatives, the post produced the positives that were needed.

So you knew when you made the original post that Belleayre indeed wasn't closing, but posted that anyway?

 

[dmc]

So you knew when you made the original post that Belleayre indeed wasn't closing, but posted that anyway?

The sky is falling!!!

wait...

Wolf wolf!!!!

 

[ERJ-145CA]

Is that the average salary per worker or average total compensation for the workforce? I think that the average unskilled public worker makes less than their private sector counterpart but public labor are rarely "downsized" while private sector employers constantly cut jobs to boost the stock price leading to lower labor costs due to efficiency.

Originally public sector work paid poorly and as I said the benefits made it worth the low salaries. If public sector salaries are higher now it is more likely that the private sector pay has not kept up. The strong contracts of the public sector employees were not chipped away at like the private sector.

It doesn't change my opinion that the "Public Worker" is the new scapegoat for all our tax problems.

 

[dmc]

State has a obligation to the area surrounding the mountain.

And to the state as well..

most people i know day trip to Bell.. they pack lunches..

I'm wondering what the financial impact will actually be...

I'm thinking that this will free up jobs for local people not in the union..

 

[snafu]

The politicians have been successful in creating the new "Welfare Mother", the "Public Worker". While there are examples of patronage jobs, outrageous salaries and great retirement benefits the average public worker makes less in salary than the equivalent private sector job and the benefits were supposed to make the job worth it.

One thing that has made them successful is backing from public unions. For the second part please see threecy's graph.

While it's true that a lot of the benefits have gotten out of line there are many other ways to save taxpayer money which involves some tough choices but the easy way out is to demonize the "Public Worker". This keeps the constituency distracted from the real problems and makes for great soundbites and easy votes. Lets eliminate as many middle class jobs as we can so all that's left is the unemployed, the working poor and the wealthy. The middle class will be gone and who will the companies sell their cheap Made in China pieces of crap to.

How is it the "easy" way out to say we have to cut jobs and that families will be affected? I'm thankful its not my job to lay them off, and on a personal level I do feel for them. But I've been laid off twice in my life and bounced back, its possible and the adversity builds some character:grin:. So I disagree that this is the easy way out, quite the contrary. You are also ingoring the fact that at state and local levels what else is there to cut?

Employees make up a major share of those budgets, medical benefits and pensions are
the elephants in the room. Health benefits are way out of line with what private employees get and defined benefit pensions? Those words do not seem to exist outside government work anymore.

Whats worse is how its the norm to pad your annual salary with massive overtime in order to increase pension benefits(basing pay on best years salary) and other double-dip(retire with benefits then work part-time consult) shenanigans there is plenty the public worker is doing that doesn't help with their image.

Add to that being able to retire after 20 or so years with full benefits for life at 45 years old and its simple math(as well as fund managers who fantasize about risk-free 8% annual return) that say its simply unsustainable.


Ok, sorry to be so off-topic - I am done...

 

[skidbump]

So you knew when you made the original post that Belleayre indeed wasn't closing, but posted that anyway?

No, msg to me was my first post. this came to me from a vendor

 

[RichT]

Got an e-mail from Belleayre @ 5:57 tonite with the headline "BELLEAYRE TO OPEN THIS WEEKEND"!! WWWWWHHHHHHHHAAAAAATTTTTTTT! it's going to rain! Wouldn't you think they would wait till aleast the weathter stays cold for alonger period of time instead of during the wee hours of the night?