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Bindings for Randi's bump skis

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Back in the old days...

....I used to use a modified hand torque wrench to test bindings, a Vermont Safety unit I believe. Now a lot of shops use an electronic tester that pushes the boot out at the touch of a button. The big advantage with the hand test was that you developed a feel for what a correct heel/toe release feels like. You could put a ski on the bench and tell if the binding was functoning smoothly or not. The standard for binding testing gives you a peak value for release or force in Newton /meters or ANSI equivilent foot-pounds. It does not specify the amount of energy required to be absorbed before release, which is force over a period of time. Looks/Rossi's with the turn table heels require a huge amount of energy to release for a given DIN setting. They absorb huge shocks well and hardly pre-release. This is fine if you are skilled enough to recover from the shock. So, you could hit a bump wrong but still be in control of your line and have something to ski out of or land a big air on your shovels and butter your way out. On the other end of the spectrum are ESS/ATOMIC bindings. They have very little elastic travel and are notorious for pre releasing. Not a good bump binding but an okay race setup. They were the first to use the rail type mount and eliminated the flat spot under foot. But, hit a bump wrong and you were gone. most users cranked up the setting into the max ranges and when they did release, they broke. POS's, rest in hell with the Nava soft boot system. In the middle are the Tyrolia's/Marker's/Salomon's. Marker's were/are known for "Markering" out or tripping the Twincam system and not releasing. This caused the boot to stay in the binding until the next turn when just floated away. Usually why people don't like them for bumps. MRR's, BTW, were great turn tables and had excellent energy absorbtion, except your buddy could hit the button on the heel with his pole just as you were going to push off, causing you to kick his @$$. I have used all brands of bindings and all have thier good points and bad points. Big thing is 1. Get them tested every year or 20 days. 2. Inspect them for cracks. 3. DO NOT let your former ski racing buddy stuff duct tape on the AFD's to correct your "hip angle". Most importaintly, 4. only tip the mechanic with BROWN bottles, preferably one's that require a bottle opener.
 

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Really?

Perhaps I just got a bunk pair, but in 25 years of skiing and probably the same number or more bindings, the Axials are the least favorite binding I've ever had. So much so that it will be unlikely that I purchase a Rossi binding again anytime soon. Kind of saying something when I'm just about as big of a Rossi ski loyalist that you'll find.

My favorite brand that I've always had the best luck with is Marker.
Yea I remember you talking about them and the stepping in problem Greg mentioned. Like I said then, I have owned 6 pairs of Axials in the past 3 years, and not had this problem with any of them.

4. only tip the mechanic with BROWN bottles, preferably one's that require a bottle opener.

Why brown bottles? Most of what I like is clear.
 

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Yea I remember you talking about them and the stepping in problem Greg mentioned. Like I said then, I have owned 6 pairs of Axials in the past 3 years, and not had this problem with any of them.

I can't speak for Greg, but what surprises me is that I'm solid 200 pounds, so you would think I would be able to put enough force down. Essentially what happens is I go to step, the binding slides back a touch and it only clicks half way. The sometimes slamming extra hard down works, but most often I have to reach back and yank up on the binding. Annoying as hell and three shops haven't been able to figure out why it does that.
 

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That would annoy the shit out of me having to lift it each time. Are the 3 shops saying its fine or are they admitting something is wrong, but don't know what to do to correct it? Any chance of having the shop contact the rep to take a look?
 
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I can't speak for Greg, but what surprises me is that I'm solid 200 pounds, so you would think I would be able to put enough force down. Essentially what happens is I go to step, the binding slides back a touch and it only clicks half way. The sometimes slamming extra hard down works, but most often I have to reach back and yank up on the binding. Annoying as hell and three shops haven't been able to figure out why it does that.

Sounds like the heel piece isn't locking into the forward pressure track...there's a tab under the heel to adj fwd pressure, the Axial will sometimes get hung up between two notches...when you slam you boot into it, it'll slide back and eventually drop into a track...but your fwd pressure will be off. I've had it happen on them...you need to push down on the tab that adjs the fwd pressure and make sure it locks into place.

All in all the axial was a good binding...but they fked it up when they went to the axial2 and went away from the screws being right under the heel of the boot...now they're 2" behind the heel and have increased the flat spot and the bindings affect on the ski.
 

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I have 4 pairs of Axial 120/140 steel/ti bindings and have never had the click in problem that deadheadskier describes. I have even done ghetto brake swaps and brake bends to fit some wider skis and that hasn't been an issue either. The click in is never as satisfying as some other designs - don't get that reassuring snap in sound - but you get used to it. On the other hand, in my experience they are very durable.

I had a pair of demo Marker Comp 1400 a couple of years ago (came with used skis) and they exploded within 5 days on the hill. Also had some tyrolias that lasted about 30 days on the hill before the heel piece pulled out of the ski at Sugarbush.
 

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The click in is never as satisfying as some other designs - don't get that reassuring snap in sound - but you get used to it.
Coming from a Marker 1200 prior to my first pair of Look P12s, I can also relate to at first being worried without having that reassuring click in sound. The P12s just slide into place. But at 6'1", 210 lbs, and an aggressive expert skier that has not margin of error when it comes to bindings, I ski them at a DIN of 8+ and have never had any issues. Definitely has earned my trust.
 
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