Bindings for Randi's bump skis

[MR. evil]

Randi got a pair of bump skis for her B-day this year, some K2 Cabrawlers. Now we just need to get her some bindings for them. When I got my bump skis I seem to remember everyone likning the ROSSIGNOL AXIAL 2 120 SKI as a binding for bump skis. So are these good bindings for bumps skis, and will they be ok for Randi?

The DIN setting on these go up to 12 and I am not sure what the lowest DIN is. Randi is kind of petite and ger AM ski bindings are set to 5.5. Do these go that low?

http://www.evogear.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/rossignol-axial-2-120.aspx

 

[riverc0il]

I just ordered one of those cheap EvoGear outlet Axial 120s recently when they ran their 20% off sale. The bindings go down to 3.5. For someone running a DIN of 5.5, these are probably not the best bindings in the world as that is a little on the low side but definitely doable. This series of bindings along with the essentially similar Look p(x)12s are held in high regard by the skiing community and are fine bindings for advanced and expert skiers.

 

[Greg]

You typically want a binding that has a DIN range that you roughly fall in the middle of. With that said, these might be good:

http://www.evogear.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/dynastar-nx-10-driver-2008.aspx

Similar to the Look PX12, but a better DIN range for Randi. Hope this helps.

 

[MR. evil]

You typically want a binding that has a DIN range that you roughly fall in the middle of. With that said, these might be good:

http://www.evogear.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/dynastar-nx-10-driver-2008.aspx

Similar to the Look PX12, but a better DIN range for Randi. Hope this helps.

Thanks... I have the same binding, only the Look version on my Cabrawlers. Look makes Dynastars bindings

 

[o3jeff]

I think they are all owned by the same people.

 

[mondeo]

This series of bindings along with the essentially similar Look p(x)12s are held in high regard by the skiing community and are fine bindings for advanced and expert skiers.

And the PX 12 is THE bump ski binding. It has a relatively large amount of elastic travel before it releases.

I can never remember which Rossi binding is the PX 12 clone, but with a good binding you don't have to worry about cranking the DIN up as much to prevent pre-releasing, a big deal in the bumps.

 

[Hawkshot99]

I think they are all owned by the same people.

Quicksilver owns Dynastar, Look, Rossi, Lange...

 

[deadheadskier]

I have Axial 120's and am not a fan personally. They're a bitch to clamp into and I don't think they release properly on an over the handle bar type fall. I had them looked at 3 times last winter by 3 different shops and didn't notice any improvement.

 

[Philpug]

Salomon 810 or 910's are also a fine mogul binding for her.

 

[Greg]

Salomon 810 or 910's are also a fine mogul binding for her.

Even the 710 would be okay given her low DIN setting:

http://www.evogear.com/outlet/alpine-ski-bindings/salomon-710-2008.aspx

 

[2knees]

I have a pair of bindings on my Volants that have a 3-9 din range. I used them for 2 years. Bought them new in 2005. If you want them, you can have them. they are in great shape. like i said, only 2 years on them.

I'll probably get killed for this, but i find it hard to believe any recreational bump skier can really tell the difference between bindings. As long as they are safe and the din falls into the correct range, i just dont see the big deal.

 

[MR. evil]

I have a pair of bindings on my Volants that have a 3-9 din range. I used them for 2 years. Bought them new in 2005. If you want them, you can have them. they are in great shape. like i said, only 2 years on them.

I'll probably get killed for this, but i find it hard to believe any recreational bump skier can really tell the difference between bindings. As long as they are safe and the din falls into the correct range, i just dont see the big deal.

Pat,
Thanks for the generous offer, I will pass it along to her.

 

[deadheadskier]

I'll probably get killed for this, but i find it hard to believe any recreational bump skier can really tell the difference between bindings. As long as they are safe and the din falls into the correct range, i just dont see the big deal.

agreed.

I could see how mounting a race binding with a heavy plate on a bump ski might compromise the flex and more importantly add unnecessary weight, but for the most part I agree with your statement.

 

[Greg]

I'll probably get killed for this, but i find it hard to believe any recreational bump skier can really tell the difference between bindings. As long as they are safe and the din falls into the correct range, i just dont see the big deal.

agreed.

I could see how mounting a race binding with a heavy plate on a bump ski might compromise the flex and more importantly add unnecessary weight, but for the most part I agree with your statement.

Agreed. Precisely why I suggested some lower end bindings you can mount flat. No need to spend any more than that given her DIN requirement if they prefer to go new.

 

[MRGisevil]

I have a pair of bindings on my Volants that have a 3-9 din range. I used them for 2 years. Bought them new in 2005. If you want them, you can have them. they are in great shape. like i said, only 2 years on them.

I'll probably get killed for this, but i find it hard to believe any recreational bump skier can really tell the difference between bindings. As long as they are safe and the din falls into the correct range, i just dont see the big deal.

Pat- you are officially the coolest person. Ever.

Feel free to utilize that quote for publicity efforts.

(PS- I owe you like ten beers this season.)

 

[Hawkshot99]

I'll probably get killed for this, but i find it hard to believe any recreational bump skier can really tell the difference between bindings. As long as they are safe and the din falls into the correct range, i just dont see the big deal.

Performance wise, I will agree 100% with you. On a safety standpoint, I have function tested almost every binding out there(or at least the main companies) and there is a difference in how they release. I will mount Rossi Axials on every ski that I can. But I wont not buy a system ski/binding because of the binding. :uzi:(With the exception of a Tyrolia bindings)

 

[mondeo]

I have a pair of bindings on my Volants that have a 3-9 din range. I used them for 2 years. Bought them new in 2005. If you want them, you can have them. they are in great shape. like i said, only 2 years on them.

I'll probably get killed for this, but i find it hard to believe any recreational bump skier can really tell the difference between bindings. As long as they are safe and the din falls into the correct range, i just dont see the big deal.

The difference is the likelihood of prerelease for a given DIN. My Markers are POSs as far as that goes.

The DIN goes with a certain force needed to pop the bindings - ideally, just a hair less than what would cause damage to your bones/joints. Good freestyle/bump bindings will have essentially suspension features between the boots and release mechanisms, which allows shocks to be absorbed without reaching the point of release. So when you hit that next bump a little hard, the binding gives a little and you continue on your way instead of losing a ski and nailing the bump after that at full speed, chest first.

I agree, weight (especially given the binding's location near the center of gravity) and responsiveness aren't big deals. But resistance to pre-release is a big deal in a bump ski. Having spent far too much time using Markers (which are probably the worst in this regard,) believe me.

 

[deadheadskier]

. I will mount Rossi Axials on every ski that I can.

Really?

Perhaps I just got a bunk pair, but in 25 years of skiing and probably the same number or more bindings, the Axials are the least favorite binding I've ever had. So much so that it will be unlikely that I purchase a Rossi binding again anytime soon. Kind of saying something when I'm just about as big of a Rossi ski loyalist that you'll find.

My favorite brand that I've always had the best luck with is Marker.

 

[deadheadskier]

The difference is the likelihood of prerelease for a given DIN. My Markers are POSs as far as that goes.

The DIN goes with a certain force needed to pop the bindings - ideally, just a hair less than what would cause damage to your bones/joints. Good freestyle/bump bindings will have essentially suspension features between the boots and release mechanisms, which allows shocks to be absorbed without reaching the point of release. So when you hit that next bump a little hard, the binding gives a little and you continue on your way instead of losing a ski and nailing the bump after that at full speed, chest first.

I agree, weight (especially given the binding's location near the center of gravity) and responsiveness aren't big deals. But resistance to pre-release is a big deal in a bump ski. Having spent far too much time using Markers (which are probably the worst in this regard,) believe me.

Weird, all through out High School I skied bumps pretty much exclusively and always used Markers without issue. My favorite bump set up I ever had was a pair of Rossi 4M's mounted with Marker MRR bindings.

Then again, I haven't tried any of their products in the past six years, so perhaps things have changed with Marker.

 

[Greg]

Really?

Perhaps I just got a bunk pair, but in 25 years of skiing and probably the same number or more bindings, the Axials are the least favorite binding I've ever had. So much so that it will be unlikely that I purchase a Rossi binding again anytime soon. Kind of saying something when I'm just about as big of a Rossi ski loyalist that you'll find.

My favorite brand that I've always had the best luck with is Marker.

I think I recall that you had the stepping in issue, correct? I kinda have the same thing with the Axials on my Legends. They require more than usual downward force to get them to engage, but I've sorta just learned to live with it. The weird thing is that the Look PX12s on my Cabrawlers are essentially the same binding and they are much easier to step into. In either case, there's no actual "click", but rather the release lever quietly rises up as the heel is engaged. Once stepped in and as long as they release me when needed, bindings aren't something I think all that much about.