Blue Mtn Bump or Jump 3/6

[Greg]

Sorry for the long post but I think it’s worth the read. Ok guys this is straight from the horse’s mouth. I can't take most of the credit for the recent good bump skiing at Blue Mt this year but I will take some. Back in October of 2009 my one friend contacted the management of Blue Mt. to ask them if they would be willing to hold a mogul comp this season. They were all for it but they didn't really know much about mogul skiing or how to run a mogul comp or how to properly seed good moguls. That was when my friend contacted me and asked if I would help out. I was all in. The management at Blue Mt. is all new as of last year (don't quote me on it) and they have been very receptive to new ideas, which is great. For quite some time many of the die hard bumpers at Blue Mt. have been trying to convince the management there to have more bump runs and to seed some of them as well but the old management was not very willing to cooperate. I will however give them credit for at least allowing to have one bump run (Barneys Bumps) which is a good trail to learn how to bump ski but it's not steep enough for the more advanced bumpers or to have a good comp on.

As of a few weeks ago my friend informed me that the management would allow us to go out with the groomers at night and actually show them how to seed the bumps correctly. The one snowcat operator was already seeding bumps, however he was doing it a different way which was not the most efficient way and also resulted in some irregular shaped moguls. The snowcat operator is a super nice guy who takes much pride in his work and wanted to perfect his mogul seeding technique but wasn’t quite sure how to do it. So one night a few weeks ago my friend and I headed up to Blue Mt. to meet up with the snowcat operator. At about 12 am we got to work. I jumped in the snowcat with him and just told him what to do. He is a skilled snowcat operator but just needed someone to show him the right way to do it. After a few rows of seeded bumps he was amazed as to how good the bumps looked and how much quicker it was to seed them this way as compared to how he was doing it before. These were the bumps we seeded on Nightmare as of Jan 23rd. From now on he will be seeding the bumps the new way. He just seeded the bumps again on Challenge this past Saturday. As you can see from the picture they are all evenly spaced and have a good shape to them. He did a really great job. It’s pretty much a perfect checker board. There are about six lines total. The only thing now is that we have to convince the snowmaking crew to blow nice lite snow instead of the wet stuff. That will be our next endeavor.

As for the mogul comp it will be held on Challenge. To answer the question about the steepness of the trail. It is a fairly steep trial. I believe at its steepest section it is about 25-30 degrees pitch which lasts for about 100 meters or so. That is what the degree meter in the snowcat showed. It is more than a solid VT blue trial. It gradually flattens out at the bottom. The top section of the headwall is around 22 degrees pitch. They have it rated as a double diamond. The overall length of the entire headwall of Challenge is about 300 meters. This trail could easily hold a world cup level comp on it. It has the pitch and length. That picture does not give the steepness any justice. The manager has told us that he wants this mogul comp to be a big hit and has for the most part given us the resources to make it happen. He is letting us design the course. We will attempt to build the top and bottom jumps just like they do for the world cup events. With the platform take off and the drop away landing. There will be prizes and trophies to the winners. This definitely will not be a hoky poky, local mountain mogul comp. It will be first class. I encourage everyone reading this to spread the word and come to Blue Mt. on March 6th and show your stuff. It should be a great time.

Wow! One hulluva first post. Welcome.

Great to hear another mountain is receptive to the mogul concept, including the comp. It's really a long shot that I can make it over there for the comp, but it looks like there will be at least some CT represenation from this site. Nice work. Someone needs to post some daytime pics of these bumps. They look pretty good even in the crappy night shot.

 

[2knees]

:lol: i prefer hoky poky local bump comps....

cool that blue listened to you guys and let you help them out. I am gonna make every effort to make it down for this but if it's as big time as you say, i wont be sticking around very long.

 

[RootDKJ]

Wow! One hulluva first post. Welcome.

Someone needs to post some daytime pics of these bumps. They look pretty good even in the crappy night shot.

I took some from the lift yesterday, but I haven't uploaded the pics yet.

 

[2knees]

this thread needs some goose stomping......

 

[4aprice]

Sorry for the long post but I think it’s worth the read. Ok guys this is straight from the horse’s mouth. I can't take most of the credit for the recent good bump skiing at Blue Mt this year but I will take some. Back in October of 2009 my one friend contacted the management of Blue Mt. to ask them if they would be willing to hold a mogul comp this season. They were all for it but they didn't really know much about mogul skiing or how to run a mogul comp or how to properly seed good moguls. That was when my friend contacted me and asked if I would help out. I was all in. The management at Blue Mt. is all new as of last year (don't quote me on it) and they have been very receptive to new ideas, which is great. For quite some time many of the die hard bumpers at Blue Mt. have been trying to convince the management there to have more bump runs and to seed some of them as well but the old management was not very willing to cooperate. I will however give them credit for at least allowing to have one bump run (Barneys Bumps) which is a good trail to learn how to bump ski but it's not steep enough for the more advanced bumpers or to have a good comp on.

As of a few weeks ago my friend informed me that the management would allow us to go out with the groomers at night and actually show them how to seed the bumps correctly. The one snowcat operator was already seeding bumps, however he was doing it a different way which was not the most efficient way and also resulted in some irregular shaped moguls. The snowcat operator is a super nice guy who takes much pride in his work and wanted to perfect his mogul seeding technique but wasn’t quite sure how to do it. So one night a few weeks ago my friend and I headed up to Blue Mt. to meet up with the snowcat operator. At about 12 am we got to work. I jumped in the snowcat with him and just told him what to do. He is a skilled snowcat operator but just needed someone to show him the right way to do it. After a few rows of seeded bumps he was amazed as to how good the bumps looked and how much quicker it was to seed them this way as compared to how he was doing it before. These were the bumps we seeded on Nightmare as of Jan 23rd. From now on he will be seeding the bumps the new way. He just seeded the bumps again on Challenge this past Saturday. As you can see from the picture they are all evenly spaced and have a good shape to them. He did a really great job. It’s pretty much a perfect checker board. There are about six lines total. The only thing now is that we have to convince the snowmaking crew to blow nice lite snow instead of the wet stuff. That will be our next endeavor.

As for the mogul comp it will be held on Challenge. To answer the question about the steepness of the trail. It is a fairly steep trial. I believe at its steepest section it is about 25-30 degrees pitch which lasts for about 100 meters or so. That is what the degree meter in the snowcat showed. It is more than a solid VT blue trial. It gradually flattens out at the bottom. The top section of the headwall is around 22 degrees pitch. They have it rated as a double diamond. The overall length of the entire headwall of Challenge is about 300 meters. This trail could easily hold a world cup level comp on it. It has the pitch and length. That picture does not give the steepness any justice. The manager has told us that he wants this mogul comp to be a big hit and has for the most part given us the resources to make it happen. He is letting us design the course. We will attempt to build the top and bottom jumps just like they do for the world cup events. With the platform take off and the drop away landing. There will be prizes and trophies to the winners. This definitely will not be a hoky poky, local mountain mogul comp. It will be first class. I encourage everyone reading this to spread the word and come to Blue Mt. on March 6th and show your stuff. It should be a great time.

I think I need to get you to stop by Camelback and show them how to seed Cliffhanger. Camelback management has also been receptive to bump skiing which I have been pushing them to do for two years now. Its not that they do a bad job. The lower angle bumps on lower Cleo have been good and they are letting Asp bump naturally by blowing and then not grooming. But Cliffhanger is a drop much like the top of Challange at Blue and I was quite impressed with the bumps there last Sunday. They have the new low energy guns on Cliffy and they blow a very good quality snow. Keep up the good work.

Alex

Lake Hopatcong, NJ

 

[gorgonzola]

very cool, wish i woulda read this stuff this morning and brought something to work with me besides the sl skis... i'll hafta check it out thursday!

 

[Flyin johnny]

Blue Mountain Bump and Jump

This is going to be a great Mogul Comp. The course will have 2 sets of air bumps plus about 700 ft. of moguls. The degree of the course is 30 degrees at its steepest. We would like to have a good turnout. So if you can ski bumps, and you want to ski an awesome course of seeded bumps. Please come to Blue Mountain on March 6th. The Comp is only 15 bucks.Thanks Flyin Johnny

 

[RootDKJ]

Here's some pics I took from the lift yesterday. I didn't ski Challenge, but Razors was the best it's been all year.

 

[MR. evil]

Sorry for the long post but I think it’s worth the read. Ok guys this is straight from the horse’s mouth. I can't take most of the credit for the recent good bump skiing at Blue Mt this year but I will take some. Back in October of 2009 my one friend contacted the management of Blue Mt. to ask them if they would be willing to hold a mogul comp this season. They were all for it but they didn't really know much about mogul skiing or how to run a mogul comp or how to properly seed good moguls. That was when my friend contacted me and asked if I would help out. I was all in. The management at Blue Mt. is all new as of last year (don't quote me on it) and they have been very receptive to new ideas, which is great. For quite some time many of the die hard bumpers at Blue Mt. have been trying to convince the management there to have more bump runs and to seed some of them as well but the old management was not very willing to cooperate. I will however give them credit for at least allowing to have one bump run (Barneys Bumps) which is a good trail to learn how to bump ski but it's not steep enough for the more advanced bumpers or to have a good comp on.

As of a few weeks ago my friend informed me that the management would allow us to go out with the groomers at night and actually show them how to seed the bumps correctly. The one snowcat operator was already seeding bumps, however he was doing it a different way which was not the most efficient way and also resulted in some irregular shaped moguls. The snowcat operator is a super nice guy who takes much pride in his work and wanted to perfect his mogul seeding technique but wasn’t quite sure how to do it. So one night a few weeks ago my friend and I headed up to Blue Mt. to meet up with the snowcat operator. At about 12 am we got to work. I jumped in the snowcat with him and just told him what to do. He is a skilled snowcat operator but just needed someone to show him the right way to do it. After a few rows of seeded bumps he was amazed as to how good the bumps looked and how much quicker it was to seed them this way as compared to how he was doing it before. These were the bumps we seeded on Nightmare as of Jan 23rd. From now on he will be seeding the bumps the new way. He just seeded the bumps again on Challenge this past Saturday. As you can see from the picture they are all evenly spaced and have a good shape to them. He did a really great job. It’s pretty much a perfect checker board. There are about six lines total. The only thing now is that we have to convince the snowmaking crew to blow nice lite snow instead of the wet stuff. That will be our next endeavor.

As for the mogul comp it will be held on Challenge. To answer the question about the steepness of the trail. It is a fairly steep trial. I believe at its steepest section it is about 25-30 degrees pitch which lasts for about 100 meters or so. That is what the degree meter in the snowcat showed. It is more than a solid VT blue trial. It gradually flattens out at the bottom. The top section of the headwall is around 22 degrees pitch. They have it rated as a double diamond. The overall length of the entire headwall of Challenge is about 300 meters. This trail could easily hold a world cup level comp on it. It has the pitch and length. That picture does not give the steepness any justice. The manager has told us that he wants this mogul comp to be a big hit and has for the most part given us the resources to make it happen. He is letting us design the course. We will attempt to build the top and bottom jumps just like they do for the world cup events. With the platform take off and the drop away landing. There will be prizes and trophies to the winners. This definitely will not be a hoky poky, local mountain mogul comp. It will be first class. I encourage everyone reading this to spread the word and come to Blue Mt. on March 6th and show your stuff. It should be a great time.

I would like to hear the difference in the seeding process you showed the Gromer compared to what he had been doing.

 

[iroyt1]

I would like to hear the difference in the seeding process you showed the Gromer compared to what he had been doing.

He would push a pile on an angle and then back up and push another pile. He never ran over it with the cat to compact it and to smooth it out. They were just pushed up jagged piles of snow. The new way is to push a pile and then run over it with the cat. After you make one pass then go back up the hill and cut the pile in half (half the width of the plow). Repeat on the next wave of piles except offset from the first wave. It's hard to describe. Makes much more since when you see it. Hope that helps.

 

[gorgonzola]

well whatever the technique keep up the good work! callenge bumps were sweet tonight even if a little scratchy in spots, night mare and barneys as well but need to get skiid in a little more to add some size

 

[RootDKJ]

From PASkiAndRide.com

 

[RootDKJ]

1 week from today! After this last dump, Blue should have plenty of snow to build the moguls with.

I really hope to see some of you there.

Blue Mountain will be hosting their first amatuer mogul competition. This event will take place on March 6, 2010 at 12:00 p.m.Registration is from 8:00 to 10:30 a.m. in the Summit Lodge, registration is $15.00 Practice runs will take place from 9:00 to 11:00 a.m.Age Groups: 17 & under, 18-35, 36-49 and 50 & older** Every Competitor MUST wear a helmet to compete

I'll have a cold beer waiting for any AZ'er who comes on down to compete or who just wants to enjoy the show!

 

[tarponhead]

They will re-seed Challenge Wednesday night is what I have heard. That will give the bumpers plenty of time to get then skied in good.

 

[gorgonzola]

anyone have any more info - format, comp level,etc?

 

[RootDKJ]

Ok AZ'rs...ROLL CALL TIME!

I went through this thread and here's who expressed interest in attending this.

2Knees
Grassi
o3Jeff
mondeo
gorgonzola
tarponhead

Blue's Bump or Jump is 4 days away. Post up if you're going to be there either as a competitor or a spectator.

 

[o3jeff]

Ok AZ'rs...ROLL CALL TIME!

I went through this thread and here's who expressed interest in attending this.

2Knees
Grassi
o3Jeff
mondeo
gorgonzola
tarponhead

Blue's Bump or Jump is 4 days away. Post up if you're going to be there either as a competitor or a spectator.

I am most likely out, with any luck I will be heading up to VT Sunday afternoon.

 

[gorgonzola]

game time decision:

 

[RootDKJ]

game time decision:

Who are you kidding? :blink: You'll be there...

 

[gorgonzola]

^ yea just not sure in what capacity...i'm usually long gone before the first runs will go off