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Burke 3/9/09

Zand

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Date(s) Skied: Monday 3/9/09

Resort or Ski Area: Burke, VT

Conditions: Variable post-freeze base with 2-3" of wet powder... 30s, light snow ending.

Trip Report:

Well, finally got to ski what will, as of next year, be my new home mountain for the next four years. Very long weekend for me: Sunday I left here at 6:30 AM to go to New York for the day and see the Bruins-Rangers game. After getting back here around 9:30 Sunday night, I left here and pulled into Lyndonville at 1:30 AM. After a short night's sleep, I was at Lyndon State for 10 for a tour and interview. Headed over to Burke for a 3 hour "quick look."

Pulled into the Sherburne parking lot around 12:30 and got on the quad after a quick lunch. Headed right over to the Willoughby Quad which was one of the few things I dislike about the place. Not only is it slow and drags on forever, the back rests are probably the most uncomfortable I've ever used... just a couple metal bars. Anyway, started off with a top to bottom run on East Bowl which was an awesome trail. Didn't really like the flat at the top or the very long runout, but the trail itself was worth it. Narrow, twisty, long, fun drops.

Next up was a run down the Dippers. The first pitch was very carveable and an absolute blast. The middle was scraped off quite a bit, but the last 1/4th was nice and carveable again. One of the best wide cruisers I've ever skied.

Headed over to Willoughby next which was also a fun cruiser. Couldn't see Lake Willoughby or the gap with the fog and clouds out over the valley, so I'll have to wait for next year to see the view. The trail was another fun blue cruiser which are abundant at Burke.

Next was a zip down Shoot onto Bear Den (I think?...I'm talking the one between Willoughby and the liftline... I think that's its name). Shoot was nice, but after that everything was ungroomed and that wasn't too pretty with the breakable crust covered in a light powder which covered hazards. Finished up hitting the jumps under the lift at the bottom.

Decided to go even more natural. Started off on Sasquatch at the top which was actually in good shape. The crust had been broken up with some traffic so just a fun, but short glade. Powderhorn was a bit of a mess but the section of bumps was fun. Hit Throbulator off that which was really tough... no traffic so I just kinda traversed back and forth hoping I wouldn't screw up and catch a ski in the crust. All the glades over there look sick but being the day after a freeze, yesterday just wasn't the day.

Needing a crust free run, I took the full length of Deer Run. Some parts of it were almost Jester-esque with steep switchbacks and a bobsled-like run. Other parts were literally uphill which were a PITA. Good run for a change of pace.

Shot down the Shoot next over to Warrens Way. Scraped quite a bit, but fun and steep on the sides with the loose powder. I was hoping to try the Poma but it was closed so hopefully I can catch it next year. Finished off on the jumps at the bottom again.

An encore of the Dippers was next. They were more skied off then earlier in the day, but still a fun cruise. Tried Little Dipper at the bottom which was ungroomed and crusty.

Last run on the upper mountain was Willoughby to get back down to the bottom. Like the rest of the hill, skied off pretty well at that point but there was good loose snow on the sides. Took Bunker Hill (?...the one skiers left of the HSQ...with the small features park) which had some fun rollers and smaller boxes and features.

Final run of the day was on the trail skiers right of the HSQ (Dashney Mile?). Had some pretty big features on it and lots of rails and boxes. Didn't expect to see parks that good at Burke. Some cool looking condos down that trail too.

So, a fun afternoon at Burke. Should be fun getting to go there almost daily next year. Not to mention I'll also be within 75 minutes of Jay, Sugarbush, MRG, Stowe, Smuggs, Bolton, and Cannon. My only gripe with Lyndon is that I-91 between WRJ and St.J is the most boring stretch of road I think I've ever driven in New England. But hey, I'll be at a nice school studying meteorology and skiing in all my free time, life will be good and that 4 hour ride will be well worth it.

Don't think I'll be getting to Wawa this week with the deluge coming tomorrow, so next up is Stowe this Saturday and Sunday. Hope it doesn't freeze up too bad after the rain tomorrow.
 

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I-91 is indeed pretty brutal. Which is why I rarely skied anything in south/central VT when I lived in StJ. Not quite as bad from StJ to Orleans to get to Jay. You are only 50 minutes from Jay and Cannon. Definitely a nice area with lots of options. I-91 puts the East Townships within easy reach tool. Closer to 1.5 hours to most of the spine of the Greens as I recall, though.
 

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I-91 is indeed pretty brutal. Which is why I rarely skied anything in south/central VT when I lived in StJ. Not quite as bad from StJ to Orleans to get to Jay. You are only 50 minutes from Jay and Cannon. Definitely a nice area with lots of options. I-91 puts the East Townships within easy reach tool. Closer to 1.5 hours to most of the spine of the Greens as I recall, though.

Still not bad... I'll take 1.5 over the current 4.5. I forgot about the east townships too... I'll have to check one of those hills out too. Definitely getting my passport before next year so I can get to Montreal and see some Bruins games up there. A good thing about Jay being that close is I get half off there with a Burke pass, so I imagine I'll be there quite a bit. Anyway you look at it, I'm gonna have a lot of exploring to do between November and May... just don't know what I might do with myself in September and October. It's the middle of nowhere afterall lol.
 

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LSC is in a great location for skiing. When I was there I had passes to Burke and Cannon and for my first 3 years the Burke Pass was reciprocal at Jay, which was awesome. As for finding stuff to do in the fall there are plenty of options. The Kingdom Trails offer some of the best mountain biking around and there is plenty of hiking opportunities. I'd recommend taking a few days and heading up to Burke to hike around, you might interested in what you find.
 

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It is too bad Jay and Burke are not reciprocal mid-week any more. Now it is $30 mid-week at the other mountain, as I recall, which is about the same as Jay's discount for another mountain's pass any ways. That was a huge draw for those passes. But it obviously benefited Burke more than Jay. But then again, I may go passless next season and go the prepaid voucher route so I can spread myself out more. Multi-mountain passes are such a good value for skiers, it's too bad more mountains can not make them work.

As for the Fall, tons of hiking opportunties between Burke and Lake Willoughby and the Whites are so close. Mountain Biking at Burke. Or the old college past time of partying with friends. I am sure you'll keep busy. Though the campus is pretty sleepy on the weekends.
 

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Welcome to the NEK.
Burke has a strong following from LSC students which is great. This year I have noticed more students on the slopes than in years past. I think this has something to do with the lower mountain terrain parks and weekly (weekend) competitions that are being held there. Sounds like you got a pretty good overview of the mtn. However, there is still a lot to find. Lots more glades that I'm sure you'll learn about quickly.

I miss the reciprical deal with Jay Peak as well, however a $30 pass for a mid-week day is still a good deal. I'd stay away on the weekends since Jay has become so popular. Cannon offered a pretty good discount with a Burke pass as well ($30 Saturday day pass last year).

My advice for the "non-snow" months is to get a decent mtn bike. The Kingdom trails are awsome and there are some good x-country trails right around the LSC campus.
I also recommend a back-country touring setup for when the lifts close in the spring (snowshoes work well too).
 

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Might want to read the fine print when you get the Burke Pass, re: Jay Program. My understanding is that the $30 discount only applies to Adult Season passes and not necessarily the "Kingdom Pass" that you will be purchasing. Similarly, Jay's College passes may not reciprocal with Burke. See below:

From Burke's site:

Reciprocal Policy for Jay Peak

All Burke Mountain season passes, except the Kingdom Pass and Corporate Membership Card, may be used to receive a Full-day lift ticket at Jay Peak for half price during the 2008/09 season, except during holiday periods. Burke Mountain Mid-week passes are valid during mid-week, non-holiday periods only.

All Jay Peak season passes, except the Beginner Zone and Corporate Pass, may be used to receive a Full-day lift ticket at Burke Mountain for half price during the 2008/09 season, except during holiday periods. Jay Peak Mid-week passes are valid during mid-week, non-holiday periods only. To receive their discounted lift ticket, Jay Peak guests must bring their season pass to the Guest Relations Office, located in the Sherburne Base Lodge.

From Jay's site:

The BURKE MOUNTAIN RECIPROCAL POLICY states that all Jay Peak Season Passes EXCEPT the Jay Only Student, Beginner Zone, and Corporate passes are eligible for half price tickets at Burke Mountain. Present a valid Jay Peak Season Pass at Burke Mountain and get 50% off regular Adult, Senior, Junior, and Student 1-day lift tickets anytime throughout the 2008+09 season.

Knowing Jay Peak though, they run a lot of good deals for College Students and to be honest, with their aggressive marketing, I'm sure that you could get a good deal. Can you pull the wool over their eyes? Of course not. Also Burke has a college student rate...assuming that you are the stereotypical student who is under 24 years old, you are fine. :roll:

As for why the full reciprocity was dropped, there is a rumor that Jay was pissed at the number of students, LSC in particular, who bought Burke passes, but skied almost exclusively at Jay. That's just a rumor.

Another big reason is that the purpose for the joint reciprocity was to stimulate Burke pass sales when the mountain was struggling to survive after the 2000 bankruptcy, and when BMA essentially owned and operated the place. Now that Ginn, which at one time had deep pockets, owns the place, the need for such a deal is no longer needed because Burke is not the "poor kid" anymore.
 

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Sounds like you got a pretty good overview of the mtn. However, there is still a lot to find. Lots more glades that I'm sure you'll learn about quickly.

Yeah... I see a lot of on map glades and also saw some off map stuff while wandering around up there. I did want to hit more of them when I was up there Monday, but the conditions weren't too pretty so I decided I'd leave that for next year.

I miss the reciprical deal with Jay Peak as well, however a $30 pass for a mid-week day is still a good deal. I'd stay away on the weekends since Jay has become so popular.

That's my basic plan I think... the first time a powder day happens on a mid-week day off, I'm going to Jay. Weekends I'll just stick to Burke or Cannon or go somewhere else. I'm also thinking about a Sugarbush pass for weekends, though I'll have to see what I have for money before I do that.

As for fall and spring, I'm not the biggest hiker in the world, but I imagine I'll be doing a lot more of it being so close to so many trails. I don't see myself getting touring gear seeing as I'll probably be able to find someone spinning a lift into early May and then school's out about 2 weeks after that. I don't really think I'd get my money's worth out of it.
 

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Considering Jay's success with the Triple Major, I can completely understand why they completely cut Burke off, especially students. I think Jay does a $40 discount ticket if you have a pass at another mountain. Student discount may be similar I would guess? In either case, Burke pass and doing Jay only powder days at Jay is certainly a good way to play it.
 
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