Cannon Lover's Thread

[deadheadskier]

I don't really like a tram but not sure the mtn (especially the midmtn) could handle that kind of volume. If they spend all that money on a new tram I can only hope it runs 7 days.

Even staying with the Tram, I wish they added another trail to spread people out mid mountain. Problem is the only spot would be skiers right of extension, which is wicked steep and full of cliffs. So, there's probably nothing they can do

 

[Smellytele]

Even staying with the Tram, I wish they added another trail to spread people out mid mountain. Problem is the only spot would be skiers right of extension, which is wicked steep and full of cliffs. So, there's probably nothing they can do

Widen the old double line a little. I do like skiing it the way it is but just an option

 

[hardscrabble]

I wonder if a little bit of revegetation between Gremlin and Rock Garden would help at all. Maybe leave the last opening that allows you to get back to the front 5/tram from Ravine, but have it be solid trees from there up to where Spookie comes in or something like that. Wouldn't really add anything new, but taking away a few needless intersections might help streamline things a bit.

 

[ceo]

Cannon's biggest problem has always been that its layout is really constrained by the topography.

 

[thetrailboss]

https://www.governor.nh.gov/sites/g/files/ehbemt336/files/inline-documents/sonh/20230207-sb-55.pdf

 

[badinfluence]

Anyone have an idea what is going on with the mittersil double? another weekend it is going to remain dormant. They made snow from the top of barons all the way down

 

[Edd]

https://www.governor.nh.gov/sites/g/files/ehbemt336/files/inline-documents/sonh/20230207-sb-55.pdf

Wonder what the installation cost savings would be for a gondy vs Tram? My (bad) memory says SR’s Chondola was a $15M project. That was a long time ago.

 

[urungus]

Wonder what the installation cost savings would be for a gondy vs Tram? My (bad) memory says SR’s Chondola was a $15M project. That was a long time ago.

I can’t imagine the savings would be that much, gondola install requires many more towers, plus the cost of a hundred or so cabins

 

[hardscrabble]

According to the Liftblog twitter thread, a gondola would cost $10-15 million. I feel like it would be less of a summer/fall draw in the long run though, as it would become 1 of 3 (4 if Waterville's full expansion plans come to fruition) in the region rather than the standout attraction that the tram would continue to be. Also agree 100% that installing a bunch of towers on DJ's would be a headache and a half. (And it would be more vulnerable to wind.... and create too much skier traffic... the list goes on)

 

[BodeMiller1]

Hardware on loan to Cannon Ski Museum.

 

[Former Sunday Rivah Rat]

Anyone have an idea what is going on with the mittersil double? another weekend it is going to remain dormant. They made snow from the top of barons all the way down

I was going to go there this week and saw that. They just finished blowing Mittersill. WTF is Cannon's problem?

 

[sugarbushskier]

Was planning to head there Thursday. Zoomer offline and needing repairs and Mitt double not running. Will they run the tram mid-week to compensate for lack of uphill capacity or will it only be Peabody and Cannonball?

Anyone have more info?

 

[machski]

According to the Liftblog twitter thread, a gondola would cost $10-15 million. I feel like it would be less of a summer/fall draw in the long run though, as it would become 1 of 3 (4 if Waterville's full expansion plans come to fruition) in the region rather than the standout attraction that the tram would continue to be. Also agree 100% that installing a bunch of towers on DJ's would be a headache and a half. (And it would be more vulnerable to wind.... and create too much skier traffic... the list goes on)

Easy way to throttle skier traffic and save a bunch of $$ is to not order the full complement of carriers the lift is designed to handle. I believe Bretton Woods did this for it's Gondi, as did Loon when the current Gondi replaced the old CS orange one. Same at Ragged with the 6 pack and Loon again initially on the North Peak Express.

As to Gondola attraction vs Tram, depends what is attracting tourists. If it's the lift itself, then yes a Gondi might be a downgrade. But if it's the views/scenery and height reached, Cannon would still win out over Loon/BW IMHO. Even if WV installs theirs from the Village up, it tops out on Green, not Tecumseh. Ehhh

 

[hardscrabble]

Easy way to throttle skier traffic and save a bunch of $$ is to not order the full complement of carriers the lift is designed to handle.

Good point, hadn't thought of that. The gondola at Crystal Mtn. out in WA is another good example - 36 cabins on an almost 7,000-foot long lift.

 

[snoseek]

I think they should address the staffing shortage before dropping millions of dollars on anything. Pay more would be a start.

 

[ceo]

This article indicates that the NH Senate president, described as an avid hiker, is evidently on Team Tram, from the questions he asked the state natural resources commissioner at a hearing. They point out that a gondola would not only be vulnerable to wind, but because it would have to be much lower to the ground, would have much less of a view, which matters for summer riders. They also note that a gondola would actually be more expensive to install, because it would require completely replacing the terminal buildings, whereas a tram can use them as is. (This is why a replacement can go up to 100 passengers but no more, because you can make the cars longer but not wider.)

 

[Edd]

This article indicates that the NH Senate president, described as an avid hiker, is evidently on Team Tram, from the questions he asked the state natural resources commissioner at a hearing. They point out that a gondola would not only be vulnerable to wind, but because it would have to be much lower to the ground, would have much less of a view, which matters for summer riders. They also note that a gondola would actually be more expensive to install, because it would require completely replacing the terminal buildings, whereas a tram can use them as is. (This is why a replacement can go up to 100 passengers but no more, because you can make the cars longer but not wider.)

He's directly at odds with the Guv, in terms of construction costs. Should be possible to find out who's right before making the call. The point about having a different view from the cars because the gondola is lower is interesting.

 

[deadheadskier]

In terms of sight seeing, wouldn't a gondola be better? All 8-10 passengers have a view. On a Team, if you aren't around the edge, you're staring at asses.

 

[SkiMom80]

Anyone have an idea what is going on with the mittersil double? another weekend it is going to remain dormant. They made snow from the top of barons all the way down

Word on the street was that they were prepping Baron's for a race this week and wanted to limit traffic. I was pretty disappointed by it being closed as well!

 

[Cannon Bell]

Mittersill. WTF is Cannon's problem?

JD. He is "giving you the pickle". His version of customer service