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riverc0il
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oops, my bad. i read that as "absolutely no right". my bad!!
YardSaleDad
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riverc0il said:
I figured as much. I just chalked it up to lack of snow.
All the mods agree with that and as of two weeks ago we have decided to have a 0 tolerance for political posts.YardSaleDad said:
bigbog
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Give em' a little time....and I think they'll grab, or try to grab, some island to turn into their dumpster.
Think you'll ever catch either a CNN or FNN correspondent following our trash? Maybe one Special Report per year....:-D :flag:
Their economic powers to be simply haven't yet developed procedures of hiding their waste from media, like we have.Marc said:
Give em' a little time....and I think they'll grab, or try to grab, some island to turn into their dumpster.
Think you'll ever catch either a CNN or FNN correspondent following our trash? Maybe one Special Report per year....:-D :flag:
YardSaleDad said:
Well, I think there's a difference between discussing a topic (and interpreting facts or lack thereof) and political rhetoric.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion and I think it's wrong to suppress that.
But when opinions are stepped on or trashed or misinterpreted to conform to someone's idea of a political agenda, then the discussion will be locked. So far (other than the flat Earth society reference), that hasn't happened in this thread.
salida
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I'm glad the earth isn't flat, it would be hard to go downhill skiing!
salida said:
Now that would be a real problem!
SkiDog
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salida said:
You mean it isnt?
i been duped..
M
YardSaleDad
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Let's step back a bit.JimG. said:
I made a point of complimenting Greg on the moderation of the boards at Hunter manic monday. Prior to my post, I had not made anything resembling a political post, and bashing of other public figures had already started in that thread.
http://forums.alpinezone.com/93759-post21.html
I admited my mistake. The complete political ban is only two weeks old. AFAICT, it was discussed in private, and no formal announcement was made of the new zero tolerance rule. My comment about equal application was based on my readings here since I joined, not just that thread or this one. IMHO, it had been uneven.
Having a debate about whether global warming exists is extremely political. Just look at how many times people have asked for this subject to be dropped, or this thread to be locked. I am just going back to gritting my teeth and clicking next when one of these threads comes up.
Tom
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Incorrect. We simply reaffirmed our stance as we've sort of been a bit lax and have overlooked some thinly veiled political posts lately..YardSaleDad said:
This is correct. This "reaffirmation" was discussed privately among the moderators.YardSaleDad said:
I would be interested in seeing some other specific posts/threads that demonstrate this "uneveness". Feel free to PM if you prefer.YardSaleDad said:
Marc
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bigbog said:
I'm not the media. I just said I saw it first hand. What the hell are you talking about anyway? Are you implying that the US is the same as China when it comes to pollution control?
That's not true. The only reason it turns political is because the ramifications of the debate are extremely political and therefore filter their way back to the global warming discussion, which in isolated terms, is purely scientific.
Since politics and the way with which people live their life in this country are inextricably linked, the debate naturally turns personal and rather heated.
There is no passion like a person has for his own life, I always say.
After all, I do love me.
YardSaleDad
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Marc said:
Just not in public please
YardSaleDad
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Greg said:
I really don't want to discuss this anymore. Threads about beer, varmints, and grilling are cool. Ann Coulter, Global Warming, or Iraq, not so cool.
ctenidae
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riverc0il said:
Spot on, there, Riv. No one doubts the cycles, and no one doubts that the global climate is changing. It does that, being an immense, and immensly complicated, system. The question is if it's really hapening faster, which it does appear to be, and if so, what's causing it. The only thing truly different between now and 2000 years ago is industrialization. You could say that the rise 2000 years ago is partially our fault, as well, what with the rapid spread of agriculture making significant changes in the environment. Remember from your high school science classes that in an experiment you have control constants and variables. We are the variables here- any change in outcomes can parsimoniously be attributed to a change in the variables.
The science is easy- both to debate and to agree on. The solutions, though, are the hard part. And not so much the what (reduce greenhouse emissions), as the how. That's when it gets into the political realm. Those solutions run the gamut. You can ascribe whatever titles you want to it, but it boils down to do nothing to do everything. Debating the science is the game of the do nothings, returning to hunter/gatherers is the game of the do everythings. Somewhere in between lies the answer.
The major problem I see is that while we're arguing over if, we're not preparing for the when. Climates change, sometimes dramatically. Not being prepared for the change, no matter the cause, is what leads to extinctions. Humans have always been adaptable (that's why we're still here), and never more so than now. The big scare, though, is that we may not be adaptable enough if we let things (ourselves included) get too far out of hand. Some would argue that it's already too late, that we've hit a couple of tipping points already (Greenland ice sheet as exhibit 1). I don't know that that's truly the case, but I think we're mighty close.
When the equatorial deserts reach north to the 40th parallel and the Arctic Zones reach south to the 41st, we'll know we're in trouble. The good news is it'll only take about an hour to get from the sunny beach to the snowy slopes.
/I so hope this thread didn't get locked as I typed this...
skibum1321
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What are you trying to make us think that you're smart or something?ctenidae said:
YardSaleDad said:
Tom, I just want to say that I'm not picking on you. And I don't think you went on any political rants. And I can see how you think this ban is kind of new; it is relative to the date you started posting here.
What you missed was the political ugliness last year. VERY UGLY. And we'll leave it at that.
pizza
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JimG. said:
How ugly was it?
pizza said:
Such a setup? Asking me how ugly it got and having that avatar there at the same time?
Steve was there for the political circus last year and he went away for a while because of it. That's about as ugly as it can get.
ctenidae
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pizza said:
It was so ugly, {insert Mother joke here}
It got pretty stupid, consisting mostly of ad hominems.
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