Eminent Domain..this is crazy

[ctenidae]

I agree, JimG- kind of highlight's governments (or anyone's) inability to guage the "public good" and/or forecast the future. I think politicians forget (or overlook) that businesses are in business to make money. That's it. It doesn't really do teh casino operators any good to develop the rest of Atlantic City. If it was nice, then their low-wage labor would have to live farther away, which would necessitate improved public transport, requiring higher taxes to keep up, which cuts into the casino's profits.

And that's just not acceptable..

 

[madman]

Anybody who owns there home or hopes to someday should be outraged!It does not matter if you lose a dream house or your first fixer upper. IT is blood sweat and tears that goes into most peoples homes. And for the government to take that and give it to another private party is just wrong! I heard one of the homeowners say the government will have to drag him from his house !! I will be there finger raised cheering him on and if I can slow them down or stop them I will!!! :uzi:

 

[skijay]

I am a jt. owner of a residential building lot that is not for sale and have been approached twice by two developers wanting to buy the property to build a subdivision. The only way to build the division is to use this lot as the access or the other end of a "through street" as a cul de sac was not approved.

Each house in this subdivision has to have a lot size a minimum size of 45,000 SF which means 5 houses can be built in accordance to zoning.

Now I am wondering what will happen....

 

[JimG.]

I am a jt. owner of a residential building lot that is not for sale and have been approached twice by two developers wanting to buy the property to build a subdivision. The only way to build the division is to use this lot as the access or the other end of a "through street" as a cul de sac was not approved.

Each house in this subdivision has to have a lot size a minimum size of 45,000 SF which means 5 houses can be built in accordance to zoning.

Now I am wondering what will happen....

Don't think you have to worry too much about developers of subdivisions, although the new law is vague about what would be viewed as "economic development"...but if Wal-mart or someone like that approaches you, I'd hire a lawyer before even speaking to them.

 

[skijay]

I am slightly worried, my mil rate is .36. 5 houses say with a price (conservative) of about $400,000 = more tax dollars than the taxes that are paid on my lot and the lot that will be used for a subdivision.

If my memory is correct, the lot where the sub would go is $360,000.

 

[Paul]

Yuk...where are you, Jay?

 

[riverc0il]

wow, this is a scary ruling. i am shocked and appauled by the breakdown. i double checked the dessent after reading Stephen's comment and wasn't suprised to see o'conner. but rehnquist, scalia, and thomas? this is completely opposite what i would have guessed the ruling would have been. you can't simply chaulk that up to so called "liberal judging" though, everyone on this community is shocked regardless of political stance. has big business and the government finally teamed up to have state sponsored socialism? i lean towards socialistic programs and ideals with a capitolistic economy, but this is fundamentally wrong in every possible way and completely out of line with every american value except that of making money. there has to be a greater good.

 

[tree_skier]

I am surprised at the outrage coming from the people who support the democratic party both on this board and elsewhere. This is exactly the position of the democratic nominated judge's party.

It is disheartening to see the supreme court disregard the constitution and the bill of rights. But again it has recently been the position of the democratic party to do just that, so where is the surprise.

 

[dmc]

I am surprised at the outrage coming from the people who support the democratic party both on this board and elsewhere. This is exactly the position of the democratic nominated judge's party.

Democrat checking in here -
I'm still unsure about it...
I think there MAY be times when this kind of thing could help a community.. But I don't know enough about it to make up my mind... I just think that there MAY be some instances where it could benefit an entire community.. But it would have to be the LAST possible thing to turn the community around..

I seriosuly doubt there's going to be a lot of this stuff going on for private businesses.... It's preety much political suicide for any politician that proposes such a thing..
Eminant Domain has been around for years.. The property I'm buying was sliced up by my town 40 years ago to put in a drainage...

 

[SkiDog]

Democrat checking in here -
I'm still unsure about it...
I think there MAY be times when this kind of thing could help a community.. But I don't know enough about it to make up my mind... I just think that there MAY be some instances where it could benefit an entire community.. But it would have to be the LAST possible thing to turn the community around..

I seriosuly doubt there's going to be a lot of this stuff going on for private businesses.... It's preety much political suicide for any politician that proposes such a thing..
Eminant Domain has been around for years.. The property I'm buying was sliced up by my town 40 years ago to put in a drainage...

Been around for years, but only to benefit the "public" i.e. roads, schools, blithe areas, etc...not malls and/or office parks...

This sets a bad precedent, and you mention "political suicide", but what about the politician that could care less about his/her reputation, or that is in their last term, and not moving forward with a political career. What would they have to lose approving my house be knocked down to build a new Target...

I gues we don't "own" anything...the govt lets us use, and pay taxes, on, what is effectively, their land.

This, IMO, will be used quite a bit contrary to others beliefs..

M

 

[SkiDog]

Democrat checking in here -
I'm still unsure about it...

Doubt you'll be too "unsure" about it when they come knocking on your door "asking" (more like telling) you to leave..."we need to build a new base lodge. It will benefit the community, create jobs, bring tax dollars but YOU have to leave..." Sorry...

M

 

[dmc]

Been around for years, but only to benefit the "public" i.e. roads, schools, blithe areas, etc...not malls and/or office parks...

I really think it's not going to be used that much... I can't be... We as a country just wouldnt put up with it..
Like I said... an area has to be REALLY bad for me to accept something like this... I mean really bad... Camden NJ bad or South Bronx in the late 80's bad.....

 

[dmc]

Democrat checking in here -
I'm still unsure about it...

Doubt you'll be too "unsure" about it when they come knocking on your door "asking" (more like telling) you to leave..."we need to build a new base lodge. It will benefit the community, create jobs, bring tax dollars but YOU have to leave..." Sorry...

M

Wont happen... There no economic blight here... I wouldnt buy a house in the middle of economic blight area..

I'm just not going to overreact on this issue until I can understand it more.

 

[hammer]

I am surprised at the outrage coming from the people who support the democratic party both on this board and elsewhere. This is exactly the position of the democratic nominated judge's party.

Democrat checking in here -
I'm still unsure about it...
I think there MAY be times when this kind of thing could help a community.. But I don't know enough about it to make up my mind... I just think that there MAY be some instances where it could benefit an entire community.. But it would have to be the LAST possible thing to turn the community around..

I seriosuly doubt there's going to be a lot of this stuff going on for private businesses.... It's preety much political suicide for any politician that proposes such a thing..
Eminant Domain has been around for years.. The property I'm buying was sliced up by my town 40 years ago to put in a drainage...

How bad is the situation in New London? I didn't think that it was a matter of eliminating urban blight in that case.

The problem that I have is that this decision just gives businesses free reign to take land if they can sufficiently "influence" a local government that it's "the right thing to do."

dmc, I hope that you are right and, in reality, there will be no more New London situations. I just wished that the Supreme Court didn't open the door on this one...

 

[dmc]

How bad is the situation in New London? I didn't think that it was a matter of eliminating urban blight in that case.

The problem that I have is that this decision just gives businesses free reign to take land if they can sufficiently "influence" a local government that it's "the right thing to do."

dmc, I hope that you are right and, in reality, there will be no more New London situations. I just wished that the Supreme Court didn't open the door on this one...

Thats the thing.. I really don't know how bad the New London area is... So I can't comment.

It is a scarey path.... Remember - "The road to hell is paved with good intention"

 

[SkiDog]

Wont happen... There no economic blight here... I wouldnt buy a house in the middle of economic blight area..

I'm just not going to overreact on this issue until I can understand it more.

Problem is this new ruling changes the rules...it doesnt have to be blithe....they can make the decision based on how it effects the community...

Basically if it brings jobs, and increases local taxes, it has the chance to be approved even if its in a "high end" neighborhood.

So the "won't happen" it totally untrue..it COULD very well happen.

the "blithe" community rule was for the original "eminent domain" laws..NOT the new ones..

I think they more you go read about this the more angry and "scared" you'll be about the govt taking whats supposed to be yours.

M

 

[dmc]

Wont happen... There no economic blight here... I wouldnt buy a house in the middle of economic blight area..

I'm just not going to overreact on this issue until I can understand it more.

Problem is this new ruling changes the rules...it doesnt have to be blithe....they can make the decision based on how it effects the community...

Basically if it brings jobs, and increases local taxes, it has the chance to be approved even if its in a "high end" neighborhood.

So the "won't happen" it totally untrue..it COULD very well happen.

the "blithe" community rule was for the original "eminent domain" laws..NOT the new ones..

I think they more you go read about this the more angry and "scared" you'll be about the govt taking whats supposed to be yours.

M

Could? A comet could fall on my house too...

Get out and vote for candidates that won't let that kind of thing happen...
I attend town meetings so you can fend these things off - or at least fight from the start...

 

[SkiDog]

Try "fending" off Walmart when they wanna build in your area....see how far it gets you...

Any way you cut it..this ruling STINKS...

IMO eminent Domain is horrible no matter what its for...I bought my property becuase I wanted it...so its MINE..

M

 

[dmc]

Try "fending" off Walmart when they wanna build in your area....see how far it gets you...

Any way you cut it..this ruling STINKS...

IMO eminent Domain is horrible no matter what its for...I bought my property becuase I wanted it...so its MINE..

M

It does suck - no doubt...
I just feel confident it won't happen to me..
For many reasons..

 

[JimG.]

I just feel confident it won't happen to me..
For many reasons..

Me too, for one reason alone...the Howitzer that'll be parked in my driveway :lol: :lol: :lol: !