Let's focus on Suburus for a second.

[campgottagopee]

True, but you also have to consider what it's gonna cost you at the end.

Very few ever buy out there lease, if they do, it's usually because of BIG TIME overage on miles and they shouldn't have been leasing in the first place. That's where they should purchase. I've always given the advise that you sholdn't lease something you couldn't afford to buy. Leasing makes a lot of sense in todays market but only for those who do 18k/yr and under. Anything other than that a purchase would be better.

 

[SKIQUATTRO]

a very successful friend of mine (and another Audi nut) drives 25-30K/yr and leases...he buys the miles up front, and at the end of 3yrs its Audis problem to try to unload a car with 90K miles on it...cars are a depreciating liability, they do not appreciate nor are they an "investment"...would you buy real estate knowing that it'd lose money every year? I know there are arguments for buy vs leasing , but at the end of the day they got ya...

 

[campgottagopee]

a very successful friend of mine (and another Audi nut) drives 25-30K/yr and leases...he buys the miles up front, and at the end of 3yrs its Audis problem to try to unload a car with 90K miles on it...cars are a depreciating liability, they do not appreciate nor are they an "investment"...would you buy real estate knowing that it'd lose money every year? I know there are arguments for buy vs leasing , but at the end of the day they got ya...

All that is true---I'm guessing your friend leases for biz purposes (write off, car allowance, etc.) that is a whole nother ball game

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

If you focus on what your monthly payment is (for lease or purchase) you are going to get screwed in the long run. Negotiate the price and then deal with financing. You are probably going to have to buy the car for more than it's worth at the end of your lease. You'd might be better off paying the penalty and buying a different used one. Do the math when you get to that point. Basically is the penalty larger or smaller than the difference between the buy-out or the going rate for a similar used car.

Dude..of course I negotiated the price first..I never even mentioned that I was going to lease until I got the price down a few grand..then I decided to do the lease for 36 months zero down. I got $3500 trade in on my old Peace of shit Sentra and my payment are $204 a month including tax. My option to buy is about 11 grand plus tax..

 

[BeanoNYC]

I know---I can't friggin believe it!!!! was hoping you wouldn't fin out, my bad. It is only for 24 mo's but still free $$$$$ is hard to come by.

That's cool, I'm glad I pulled the trigger as I really needed a reliable car asap. I now own three cars until I get the POS Freelander out of the shop and sell. What's the rate on a 5 year? I don't see any 24 at 0%. It looks like all is at 0% in my region...could that be?

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

That's cool, I'm glad I pulled the trigger as I really needed a reliable car asap. I now own three cars until I get the POS Freelander out of the shop and sell. What's the rate on a 5 year? I don't see any 24 at 0%. It looks like all is at 0% in my region...could that be?

Wow..how can they afford to offer zero percent financing and still have free coffee and steezy flat screen TVs in the Service area waiting room..I wonder how much profit they make off each STi or B9 Tribeca??? One thing I know for the future is to never date a woman who drives a Forester..if she's single that is..If she's a MILF..that's different..ahahahahaha

 

[wa-loaf]

Wow..how can they afford to offer zero percent financing and still have free coffee and steezy flat screen TVs in the Service area waiting room

Free Wifi at my Dealer too. I got our 30k service done and worked online in the waiting room (at a desk) for a couple hours. Very cool.

 

[BeanoNYC]

One thing I know for the future is to never date a woman who drives a Forester.

What and give up every guy's dream?

 

[wa-loaf]

What and give up every guy's dream?

Martina Navratilova is every guy's dream?

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Free Wifi at my Dealer too. I got our 30k service done and worked online in the waiting room (at a desk) for a couple hours. Very cool.

They wanted me to do the 30k service but it was 550 bucks..so I'm having a local shop do it all for half the price..

 

[campgottagopee]

That's cool, I'm glad I pulled the trigger as I really needed a reliable car asap. I now own three cars until I get the POS Freelander out of the shop and sell. What's the rate on a 5 year? I don't see any 24 at 0%. It looks like all is at 0% in my region...could that be?

I really don't think it's 0% for all because all these incentives are coming from National, but maybe?? For 5yr it's 3.9%.

 

[hammer]

I really don't think it's 0% for all because all these incentives are coming from National, but maybe?? For 5yr it's 3.9%.

That's still a good rate...best I've seen from a bank lately has been 4.99% for 60 months.

 

[campgottagopee]

That's still a good rate...best I've seen from a bank lately has been 4.99% for 60 months.

Yes it is---SMF will give 4.9 for 72 mo's

 

[hammer]

Anyone seen/driven the new 2009 Forester?

 

[wa-loaf]

Anyone seen/driven the new 2009 Forester?

Seen a brochure and a couple on the lot of the dealership my train goes by. Looks nice to me, maybe a little bigger and more SUV-ish. Haven't driven one.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Looks like they actually consulted a designer on this one....

 

[mlctvt]

much uglier than the old car.
Plus the XT no longer comes with a manual transmission.

 

[campgottagopee]

Anyone seen/driven the new 2009 Forester?

Yes on both accounts. They've done a fantasticn job with this car. Much bigger than previous years, but yet still doesn't feel like your traditional "trucky" SUV while driving. Same quirky subie motor and drivetrain but that's what makes a subaru a subaru.

 

[campgottagopee]

much uglier than the old car.
Plus the XT no longer comes with a manual transmission.

That'a funny---I think it's much nicer looking than previous car. Thought it really looked like a box before, and now car has some nice lines to it.

 

[BeanoNYC]

That'a funny---I think it's much nicer looking than previous car. Thought it really looked like a box before, and now car has some nice lines to it.

Agreed!