Lies and the lying liars that tell them

[2knees]

taken from killington's webpage.

"Killington's 21 vehicle Stealth Grooming Fleet grooms 50-80% of open terrain on a nightly basis. We also have numerous trails that are left untouched for the mogul enthusiasts including Outer Limits - the steepest, longest mogul slope in the East! "


Ahahahahahahhahahahaha.

how do they type that with a straight face.

 

[deadheadskier]

The grooming part I can believe. The Outer Limits part is probably a farce, but off the top of my head I can't think of a mogul run on the east coast that is as consistently steep as OL for that length.

 

[2knees]

The grooming part I can believe. The Outer Limits part is probably a farce, but off the top of my head I can't think of a mogul run on the east coast that is as consistently steep as OL for that length.

actually i should've clarified. i was referring to outer limits still being touted as the longest steepest bump run. the thing is groomed out more than not.

 

[deadheadskier]

actually i should've clarified. i was referring to outer limits still being touted as the longest steepest bump run. the thing is groomed out more than not.

really? I haven't skied Killington in 15 years and didn't know they groomed OL so often these days.

 

[skiadikt]

sort of a half lie ... really half & half. but the problem is the part they leave ungroomed (skiers right), slopes off from the snowmaking creating a bit of a double fall line and the coverage can be thin on over there with many rocks poking through so for me it just doesn't ski as well i would like. in the old daze, the skiers right would be the first side they blew. they'd mount the guns in the middle of the trail and blow that side first before pulling the guns back creating a deeper and more consistent base across the whole trail. in that case half & half wouldn't be as much of an issue.

 

[2knees]

sort of a half lie ... really half & half. but the problem is the part they leave ungroomed (skiers right), slopes off from the snowmaking creating a bit of a double fall line and the coverage can be thin on over there with many rocks poking through so for me it just doesn't ski as well i would like. in the old daze, the skiers right would be the first side they blew. they'd mount the guns in the middle of the trail and blow that side first before pulling the guns back creating a deeper and more consistent base across the whole trail. in that case half & half wouldn't be as much of an issue.

hey dont be a voice of reason and spout reality into my k bashing thread. I've refrained all summer, it's my turn!!!! :smile:

 

[skiadikt]

hey dont be a voice of reason and spout reality into my k bashing thread. I've refrained all summer, it's my turn!!!! :smile:

sorry. bash away!

 

[kingslug]

I wonder how it compares to Annapurna on a good day.

 

[JimG.]

I wonder how it compares to Annapurna on a good day.

Outer Limits? OL is a little longer vert and alot wider than Purna. OL has a more consistent pitch. Both start out with about the same pitch, but Purna mellows about halfway down whereas OL maintains its' pitch almost to the bottom.

 

[2knees]

sorry but here's a trip down memory lane again.

In high school and shortly there after, i had a group of guys i used to go to killington regularly with. We would basically ski ol all day. It usually turned into some sort of competition almost as to who would be the first to crack (or not to crack) and go ski wildfire for a break. Then around the late 90's or so it seemed like wildfire actually became a more consistent and trustworthy bump trail then ol. Now, you cant bank on either although upper wildfire still seems to be left primarily alone.


hey i think i hijacked my own thread.

 

[MrMagic]

Ol is groomed quite offen, out of the 11 times i skied it last year, it was groomed more than half, booooooo and it is not the steepest bump run in the east not by a long shot, sorry k-mart.

 

[SkiDork]

Ol is groomed quite offen, out of the 11 times i skied it last year, it was groomed more than half, booooooo and it is not the steepest bump run in the east not by a long shot, sorry k-mart.

yup.

OL is nowhere near what it used to be.

 

[MrMagic]

yup.

OL is nowhere near what it used to be.

yeah its to bad too, its not the best run at kilington by any means, but it was still a good one , but i wont wast my time when its groomed out, thats when most people ski it and then go buy that t-shirt that says "i survived outet limits"

 

[eastcoastpowderhound]

its like when sunday river claimed white heat was the "steepest, longest, widest, bump run in the east" It wasn't the steepest, wasn't the widest, wasn't the longest...but supposedly the combination of all three. About 5 or 6 years ago they put up tower guns and narrowed the trail by at least 30'...took away some of the best part of it in the process. The sold a lot of white heat tee shirts too. Its another famous east coast lemming trail...ohh, I sense my first new thread!

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

sort of a half lie ... really half & half. but the problem is the part they leave ungroomed (skiers right), slopes off from the snowmaking creating a bit of a double fall line and the coverage can be thin on over there with many rocks poking through so for me it just doesn't ski as well i would like. in the old daze, the skiers right would be the first side they blew. they'd mount the guns in the middle of the trail and blow that side first before pulling the guns back creating a deeper and more consistent base across the whole trail. in that case half & half wouldn't be as much of an issue.

mogul skiers hate double fall lines..they need to level the trail exact..hahahaha...Outer limits is half groomed but it's still a bump run..plenty of old farts who don't do moguls along with racers and shizzle like the groomed part..it's wide enough that it shouldn't matter....Grooming half the trail is a great compromise..if the bumps stink..you can hit the groomed and if the groomed stinks..then you can hit the bumps..

 

[prisnah]

its like when sunday river claimed white heat was the "steepest, longest, widest, bump run in the east" It wasn't the steepest, wasn't the widest, wasn't the longest...but supposedly the combination of all three. About 5 or 6 years ago they put up tower guns and narrowed the trail by at least 30'...took away some of the best part of it in the process. The sold a lot of white heat tee shirts too. Its another famous east coast lemming trail...ohh, I sense my first new thread!

Oh woah I just made the same arguement about white heat in the other thread about lemming trails. I loved how they didn't use comma's between the words steepest longest widest so there would be some truth to the claim. Kudos to the marketing guy who came up with that one, cuz they made a killing off it.

 

[skiadikt]

its like when sunday river claimed white heat was the "steepest, longest, widest, bump run in the east" It wasn't the steepest, wasn't the widest, wasn't the longest...but supposedly the combination of all three. About 5 or 6 years ago they put up tower guns and narrowed the trail by at least 30'...took away some of the best part of it in the process. The sold a lot of white heat tee shirts too. Its another famous east coast lemming trail...ohh, I sense my first new thread!

agreed. while i doubt ol can make that claim, white heat certainly can't. over the length of the trail, it's not all that steep and it's not the longest or widest - with or without commas. a bunch of marketing bull ... i think ol has white heat beat on all those counts and while a shadow of it's former self, when left bumped up ol can still be a reasonably challenging bump run. an idea for another thread ... NOT!