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Ragged Mountain 1/1/2010

deadheadskier

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Date(s) Skied: Friday, January 1st, 2010

Resort or Ski Area: Ragged Mountain

Conditions: Packed man made

Trip Report:

The good:

Can't think of a better way to ring in the New Decade than out on skis. Made it up for a few hours today with comfortable temps and light snow falling, but not accumulating much; maybe an inch. Even though I arrived late morning at 10:30, I was still able to score a parking spot within 150 feet of the lift in the secondary lot. Conditions were fast with only a few small patches of skied off area here and there. Lift line was 5 chairs maximum wait on the six pack, mainly due to Evelyn who does an awesome job of keeping the chairs near full. If there was more than a three chair wait, she was packing it full. Spear Mountain had no wait.

The bad:

Well, maybe 'bad' isn't the right word. Having not skied Ragged early season before, I think my expectations were a bit high for early season snowmaking and terrain expansion. Perhaps those expectations are/were that way due to the High Speed Six lift, fairly decent lodge facilities and the fact that the mountain is owned by a large real estate development company that has invested big money in other resorts. It was a major let down to find that the only additional terrain open from the prior weekend was New Found Ridge to Town Meeting. While fun, this amounts to about a 1500 feet of slope over 300 vert.

More frustrating was seeing they had finished blowing on Exhibition (evidence not only by the whales, but the removal of the snow guns) yet it just sat there all day. I really don't get why they weren't grooming it out to open. Word is that will happen tonight, but I'm not sure why they weren't working on it during the day. Perhaps their groomers only work at night.

The skiing that was open was quite good for groomed terrain. It's evident that the mountain relies heavily on natural snow. Even at my perceived slow pace, a very nice patroller said that this was the best effort he had seen the mountain make in his ten years there and that it gets better every year.

While after 4 days out, I'm starting to get a bit bored with the limited terrain, I'm still happy with my decision to get a pass at Ragged. It's a double edge sword. I love being able to park right next to the lodge and not have to deal with a shuttle bus or long slog. I love having elbow room to boot up and when I eat lunch. Being able to have as much trail to comfortably ski as fast as you want without worry of traffic is great. No lift lines are also great. The price is hard to beat. But, you sacrifice some in the way of snowmaking.

I'd imagine a good foot of natural and opening of several more trails and I'll be happy as could be; especially if some decent bumps form somewhere and the trees open up.

I'll be back Sunday morning to sample the fresh and depending on how the mountain does, I may repeat that on Monday instead of seeking out Northern terrain.

For those coming up, I definitely wouldn't expect any glades to be open after the expected snow this weekend. They still need at least two feet unless the snow is very wet/dense. Also, I had four chair rides today with different patrollers. I expressed concern for wind on Sunday. They said that wind will shut the Spear down pretty easily, but the six is typically good up to 60mph gusts no matter the direction. It's fairly low with only one area that's very exposed and they said the weight of the chairs really keep it steady. Monday they had 50 mph winds, ran it and you didn't sway at all.
 

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Snow making whales sitting for at least one or two days is standard procedure everywhere. As I recall, the moisture needs to drain out of the whales before they can get mowed down for best quality snow. Though they could have opened the run with the whales there... I find freshly made snow difficult to ski.

I think Ragged has snowmaking issues that limit the amount of water they can draw. Check out SnowJournal for more on that from former instructor Josha Segal who is the resident SJ expert on Ragged.

The lack of terrain expansion at Ragged is probably worse than it looks this year as the big boys all have most of their terrain covered already due to really low temps. I bet any other year and Ragged would be more than acceptable with what they have now. But it is not too great an offering when compared to the bigger areas in NH and many locations in NoVT that are or nearly are at 100% including glades.
 

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Got a link to that snowjournal article?

Since buying a pass, I've done a fair bit of research regarding the Pacific Group and their plans for the mountain. One article mentioned that an attraction was exceptional access to water for snowmaking. As things currently stand, there is only one small pond at the base, so that could be what the snowjournal article discusses.
 

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I was over at Ragged for their New Years Eve shindig and noticed they were only listing 15 runs open. We were thinking about heading there on Friday, but after I saw that we decided on Sunapee instead.

Looking forward to getting over there when there's more snow though. Looks like some nice gladed areas (at least on the trail map :smile:).
 

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How was the shindig?

Yee-haw! Lots of food and classic rock hits. There was a crapload of people there, but it thinned out quite a bit by 11. It starts at 6:00 so it's tough for the kids to last until the end.

Probably won't go next year. More enjoyable to just hang at home or somwehere right in town.
 

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I was over at Ragged for their New Years Eve shindig and noticed they were only listing 15 runs open. We were thinking about heading there on Friday, but after I saw that we decided on Sunapee instead.

Looking forward to getting over there when there's more snow though. Looks like some nice gladed areas (at least on the trail map :smile:).
I'll definitely vouch for those. Unfortunately it sounds like there won't be enough snow from this weekend's system to get them open. With the shorter drive and generally smaller crowds, I'd favor Ragged over some bigger, more faraway places when the glades are open with fresh snow, but not when they're not.
 

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I'll definitely vouch for those. Unfortunately it sounds like there won't be enough snow from this weekend's system to get them open. With the shorter drive and generally smaller crowds, I'd favor Ragged over some bigger, more faraway places when the glades are open with fresh snow, but not when they're not.

I'm looking forward to when the glades open, but you're right, probably not after this storm, but they'll be close.

The only thing (for me) that Ragged really needs is reliable advanced terrain when Mother Nature doesn't provide the goods. read: seeded bumps. Skiers left of Showboat would be the perfect place for this in my mind. It would be very similarly pitched and perhaps a bit longer than Flying Goose at Sunapee. To make that a viable option though it would require a bit of off season prep-work. There are a ton of boulders and stumps on that slope that if removed would reduce the amount of man made snow needed considerably.
 

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Good to hear it was successful. More money for snowmaking :lol:

It should be quite the money maker. $25 per adult ($35 at the door) and $15 per kid, which doesn't include alcohol. There was a constant line at the bar for $5+ drinks.
 

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Was there on 12/31. The electricity was out early morning and they couldn't make snow over night. Also, it looked like the snow guns (or rather the pipes) were frozen. They were moving a portable defreezing unit up and down the hill. more later
 

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I was also there... Despite the limited terrain I thought the skiing on open trails was quite good. I was also puzzled by the whales just sitting there on exhibtion. The middle of the trails were icy but on the sides there was loose snow. All in all, I thought that Cardigan was the run of the day because of the sparse crowds and the fresh powder by the end of the day. The snow picked up in intensity by the end and I would say when we left, about 4 inches had accumulated.
 

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I too dug Turnpike/Cardigan. Great green trail. Reminds me of Lollapalooza and Dreamweaver at Sunday River.
 

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I'm looking forward to when the glades open, but you're right, probably not after this storm, but they'll be close.

The only thing (for me) that Ragged really needs is reliable advanced terrain when Mother Nature doesn't provide the goods. read: seeded bumps. Skiers left of Showboat would be the perfect place for this in my mind. It would be very similarly pitched and perhaps a bit longer than Flying Goose at Sunapee. To make that a viable option though it would require a bit of off season prep-work. There are a ton of boulders and stumps on that slope that if removed would reduce the amount of man made snow needed considerably.

You need to get in there with the management, like Greg did a Sundown, and start lobbying for the bumps.
 

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The snow on what was open (on 12/31) was great. No scatchiness and the 3-4 inches that fell kept it fresh. Turnpike, Jughandle, Cardigan was fantastic. Great green.

Not sure if it was Showboat or Sweepstakes - but whatever the black is that runs underneath the Spear Triple looked like it needed 2 more feet before it could open.

Not sure why they haven't opened Raggae Glade. (This storm should be enough to open it). And Exhibition (which has had whales on the lower part for the last two weeks) just needed to be groomed to open.

Town Meeting and New Found Ridge were not open on 12/31, so those were new trails yesterday. My guess, is they need those open before they can opn Exhibition.....

My kids LOVE the lodge and the open fireplace. A great mountain and super lodge. Just needs a little more snow making love.
 

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I've met several families there this year who are first time pass holders. The convenience of the parking to the lodge and lack of crowds were all big factors in their decision to ski there. I don't have kids, but remember being one skiing with my parents and the schlep to the lodge with gear was always the most challenging time of the day......especially for my dad ;). Ragged is about as easy as it gets in that regard.
 

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Went to Gunstock the next day (1/1) and it is a larger mor poppular mountain but the lodge situation at Ragged really, REALLY, was amazing compared to the port authority locker room experience there. When you get a gaggle of kids and are basically an equipment, snack, mitten, binding snapping, and boot sherpa, the lodge really comes into play.
 
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