The Over $300 lift ticket has arrived. FU#K OFF at those prices.

[jimk]

A couple years ago I rode up with three 20somethings on a chairlift at Snowbird. They were yacking among themselves about college majors and job prospects. Two were environmental science majors and they worried about climate change, drying Salt Lake, etc, discussing one climate disaster after the other. I finally spoke up and said, "I'm sorry your generation has so much anxiety over this issue. I feel kind of bad for you." They almost threw me off the lift. They all pretty much expect the world to end during their lifetimes. Meanwhile, Snowbird got 838" of snow that season.
I'm ok with sensible conservation based on a long term view.

 

[raisingarizona]

A couple years ago I rode up with three 20somethings on a chairlift at Snowbird. They were yacking among themselves about college majors and job prospects. Two were environmental science majors and they worried about climate change, drying Salt Lake, etc, discussing one climate disaster after the other. I finally spoke up and said, "I'm sorry your generation has so much anxiety over this issue. I feel kind of bad for you." They almost threw me off the lift. They all pretty much expect the world to end during their lifetimes. Meanwhile, Snowbird got 838" of snow that season.
I'm ok with sensible conservation based on a long term view.

Two years ago I rode a chairlift with two younger gentleman, both college students here locally. One was African American and he pointed out another African American on the lift line. I said it’s pretty cool that there’s finally a shift in wealth in our society and we see people of different ethnicities enjoying more expensive activities. He then called me a racist. I’m still scratching my head over that one.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Well, I guess the agency who published the 7 degree figure is intellectually lazy collecting and interpretating federal data.

Well it's not an "agency" - I never heard of that activist group, but the actual data from UVM's Vermont Climate Assessment shows less than 1 degree Fahrenheit in the last 30 years, and only about 3 degrees in the last 125 years. Looking at the graph below, if you want a real long-term view

From1991 to 2020, winter temperatures have increased from 19.8ºF to 20.7ºF....In the long-term, average temperature has increased since the early 1900s the most in winter (+3.3ºF)

So that's nowhere near a >7 degree temperature increase in 50 years, and in fact in almost 125 years it's only 3'ish degrees. Going back to the activist non-profit group you linked, one has to read to the very last sentence in the entire article to read something I thought rather strange:

Climate Central confined its report to the past 40 years because meteorological data from the available instruments is less robust prior to 1970.

Really? Nah, the reason they "confined" their "report" to a 1970 baseline is you'll notice from UVM's chart above, 1970 is the literal low-point in any winter in the long-term window for temperature, and you'd need to go back 100 years to like 1918 to get a colder X-axis start. This is commonly referred to as, "propaganda".

 

[BenedictGomez]

They were yacking among themselves about college majors and job prospects. Two were environmental science majors and they worried about climate change, drying Salt Lake, etc, discussing one climate disaster after the other....... They all pretty much expect the world to end during their lifetimes. Meanwhile, Snowbird got 838" of snow that season.

It's nigh a cult. It's perfectly appropriate to use science to solve problems & game solutions for the future, but this Climate Change (READ: Global Warming rebranded) stuff is out-of-control. The ridiculous view that "skiing will end" in (insert) _____our lifetime or _____ our children's lifetime is shockingly not uncommon. They've swallowed this propaganda in an unquestioning fashion. Ironically they point to "science" and state so smugly that anyone who disagrees with them is "anti science", while unknowingly outing themselves as people who have absolutely no idea what the Climate Change "science" actually says.

They're equally ignorant of the solutions as well - most commonly acting as if driving SUVs is the ultimate sin, while being completely unaware that eating meat is actually worse than driving an SUV, and that owning pets (cats & dogs) is nearly as bad for CO2 footprint. Of course, the far-left politicians they take their cues from will NEVER tell people they cant own Mittens the Cat or Max the Dog, nor will they tell people to go Vegan, because they know they'll INSTANTLY be voted out of office. But the oil industry? Oh yeah, that's been a a leftist target since before anyone reading this was born. So SUVs are the true enemy of Planet Earth!

 

[deadheadskier]

Lol. Settle down Francis. Before you go all stump speeching that everyone who is concerned about the rate things are changing are a bunch of leftist cult members, understand there is in fact a middle. Y'all got plenty of weirdos on the right too. Tots and pears for that.

I'll take your word that org in that article I shared is out to lunch. But I don't think they were saying the same thing as you're arguing. They didn't say BTV is 7 degrees warmer as a whole. They said the data for the last 50 years shows a day time high in meteorological winter as 7 degrees warmer according to federal data. Does your data disprove that or just look at overall average annual temperature? I won't dig further into that. You can if you want. I will happily concede that your source is correct and it's just 1.5 degrees warmer overall. Take the W.

Think about that 1.5 though and then my second reference point you didn't address. Ice season is 20 days shorter on a substantial lake in New England. So what does that mean if 50 years from now it's another 1.5 degrees warmer? Probably no ice. If it's so warm many lakes can't freeze, that means even more challenging and expensive snowmaking.

Like I said. I don't anticipate skiing going away in my life or my kids. Grand kids? They'll ski. Just maybe not in CT. Not an unreasonable thought given what we are seeing.

 

[drjeff]

Lol. Settle down Francis. Before you go all stump speeching that everyone who is concerned about the rate things are changing are a bunch of leftist cult members, understand there is in fact a middle. Y'all got plenty of weirdos on the right too. Tots and pears for that.

I'll take your word that org in that article I shared is out to lunch. But I don't think they were saying the same thing as you're arguing. They didn't say BTV is 7 degrees warmer as a whole. They said the data for the last 50 years shows a day time high in meteorological winter as 7 degrees warmer according to federal data. Does your data disprove that or just look at overall average annual temperature? I won't dig further into that. You can if you want. I will happily concede that your source is correct and it's just 1.5 degrees warmer overall. Take the W.

Think about that 1.5 though and then my second reference point you didn't address. Ice season is 20 days shorter on a substantial lake in New England. So what does that mean if 50 years from now it's another 1.5 degrees warmer? Probably no ice. If it's so warm many lakes can't freeze, that means even more challenging and expensive snowmaking.

Like I said. I don't anticipate skiing going away in my life or my kids. Grand kids? They'll ski. Just maybe not in CT. Not an unreasonable thought given what we are seeing.

Actually, another 1.5 degrees or so, with respect to the CT ski areas, and likely THE RI ski area, wouldn't make much of a difference, as they have so heavily invested in maximizing their firepower, water pumping capacity, and efficiency, that given their small acreage, they can pump out snow, and cover a greater percentage of their terrain as quick, if not quicker, than the traditional snowmaking titans to the North. Their business model is more about the 6 or so weeks from New Years through President's Week and evening after school and beer league race programs than daytime skiing.

When you have seen what a snowmaking system that has been optimized with both enough water storage capacity, pumping capacity and proper gun spacing to maximize limited (12 to say 48hr) snowmaking windows can do, its both impressive and easy to see how the industry will continue on for a LONG time for most resorts

 

[BenedictGomez]

my second reference point you didn't address. Ice season is 20 days shorter on a substantial lake in New England. So what does that mean if 50 years from now it's another 1.5 degrees warmer?

I really have no idea, because I wouldn't even know where to go to, or how you could get that data unless a verifiable source kept it for the last 100+ years from the same point(s) on the lake, which I kind of doubt.

Even the arctic ice records have only been kept since 1979. So it never impresses me every 2 or 3 years when on a given date the headline, "ARCTIC ICE AT RECORD HISTORIC LOW" for that date pops up, because the "record" is younger than Reese Witherspoon (which those articles almost never point out, clearly on purpose).

 

[1dog]

Little longer reference points:

Destroying the Climate Change Myth

The magic words “global warming” are surrounded by left-wing mythology. We’ve all heard apocalyptic predictions about what will happen if we don’t start walking everywhere we go and heating our homes by burning drie...

www.americanthinker.com

 

[AdironRider]

I'm not seeing really consistent data proving that the ice out season is definitively 20 days shorter. Within the past five years it has been as late as April 24th for example. And there were ice outs in March in the 20s, just like last year. 100 or so years is not enough of a data set to state with any certainly that is fact.

www.winnipesaukee.com - Ice-Out on Lake Winnipesaukee

Dedicated to Lake Winnipesaukee and the Lakes Region of New Hampshire

www.winnipesaukee.com

 

[deadheadskier]

Ok. Y'all believe what you want. Didn't realize I was posting in a forum filled with the spawn of Carl Sagan.

Carry on and keep rollin coal my dudes.

 

[AdironRider]

To be clear, unlike Benedict, I think there are just as many people on the other side that are just as invested in there being less regulation, because they want more profit and don’t give a shit what river they pollute to do it.

Ultimately, I think the climate has always, and will continue to always “change”. It’s just tiresome to hear both sides make it a wedge issue.