It’s UDOT. They will do a road project.
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Vote for Utah ski bus
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Kingslug20
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Hope so...
ss20
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I am in the crew voting for nothing to the canyon. Add an alta express bus to skip the snowbird lots. Make the busses cheaper. Right now a family of 4 would spend $40 for round trip on the bus. That's stupid expensive. Meanwhile.... All of February was free to ride....
Snow weather days and canyon road closure days will still be shit shows... Even with 75% of the current traffic levels.
I don't think adding a lane or building a gondola is the solution. Especially with how successful parking reservations have been. I think the solution is with a couple more minor steps. Eliminating all Snowbird free parking, Alta Express bus, tolling of something reasonable like $3 for the road.
Snow weather days and canyon road closure days will still be shit shows... Even with 75% of the current traffic levels.
I don't think adding a lane or building a gondola is the solution. Especially with how successful parking reservations have been. I think the solution is with a couple more minor steps. Eliminating all Snowbird free parking, Alta Express bus, tolling of something reasonable like $3 for the road.
Any word on what Snowbird is going to do with parking?
Agree that the parking reservations at Alta have worked. Rough start, but it works now.
And FWIW most people ski on either a season pass or an IKON Pass so the Bus is free. Dirty secret: the real reason for the paid parking at Solitude was to at least make a dent in Alterra's UTA bill. As of last season $0 has been donated to the clean air initiative that Alterra said the $ would go to.
jimk
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The last few weekends I see a lot of cars at the base of Snowbird, but small lift lines. Are all the people catching the uta bus at Bird and going up to alta?
Yes
ss20
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Yes they are. Pretty common practice for the AltaBird early folks. Get to jump the red snake getting home too. The free parking over there is too much and causing too many little issues that add up.
Now that we're almost over, I can say that the parking reservations and Alta opting to be only on the IKON Plus and Full IKON pass signals to us that they at least care about our season pass business. Yet another day where I had a parking reservation at Alta, started and ended at Alta, and left pretty happy. As to Snowbird ???????
From what I have seen, John Cumming is doing the Donald Trump thing by monetizing the solutions to his self-created mistakes. Don't like crowded liftlines? Get the Fast Tracks. No parking? Pay $700 for a parking pass. That is not sustainable. It signals to me that Mr. Cumming takes us passholders for granted at the very least if he even gives a shit. It is just like what he did at Killington--pissed off 30-40% of his book of business. Keeping passholders is pretty easy to do but not for him. I've ridden out some annoyances with Snowbird for the last 11 years, but this year is the worst in terms of dysfunction and service. In the past it has been the terrain and length of season for me. Now I can't park there and with the Tram closing on April 3rd and low snow I don't see them going very much past Alta. It's not good to start the season angry with the owners, but definitely not good to end the season feeling the same. When Snowbird asks us to renew they very well may be getting $0.00 from our household.
I hate being a jaded local. In order to lighten it up a bit, I will let Mr. Bolton express how a lot of us local Snowbird passholders feel:
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No action isn’t going to go so well for the Canyons unfortunately.
After skiing in Switzerland this past month I’ve developed new eyes. A ski train and other forms of transportation between all of the ski areas should definitely happen in the wasatch IMO. It’s a no brainer after seeing how they do things there.
People don’t like change, we aren’t psychologically wired for that. Change presents itself as a danger and creates stress for the human brain. Sweeping the traffic and population problems under the rug is going to bite em in the ass.
After skiing in Switzerland this past month I’ve developed new eyes. A ski train and other forms of transportation between all of the ski areas should definitely happen in the wasatch IMO. It’s a no brainer after seeing how they do things there.
People don’t like change, we aren’t psychologically wired for that. Change presents itself as a danger and creates stress for the human brain. Sweeping the traffic and population problems under the rug is going to bite em in the ass.
It's all about making the $$$$$$ in the now.
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Another human brain fallacy, short sightedness.
jimmywilson69
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when this thread started I said that a "European" interconnect of the ski areas would be something that not only solves the problem, it would market itself!
The resorts want the taxpayers to foot the bill.
Yeah I just don't know if that would fly in a state like Utah.
Charge a toll maybe and take that money to strengthen the bus system.
Theoretically that was a proposal.
I initially was leaning gondola, until it became clear that a well-connected developer who is a former pol set himself up to personally benefit from this. Additionally, I think that Alterra, POWDR, and anyone who is in the IKON program should be accountable for the traffic mess that they have created. Alterra at least now tacitly admits that there are crowding issues. For three seasons they denied it.
KustyTheKlown
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i just booked a cheap room near big cottonwood canyon for December 25 - 31, because I'm nuts, and maybe autistic.
with the way the calendar goes next year, i can observe gf bday 12/21 and spend xmas eve and morning with her, bag 5 ski days, and be home by evening on new years eve to spend new years with her. seems doable. looked at hotels near a-basin and most weren't even listing dates that far in advance yet. may also book something in truckee ca and canmore near banff.
I'm a weirdo.
with the way the calendar goes next year, i can observe gf bday 12/21 and spend xmas eve and morning with her, bag 5 ski days, and be home by evening on new years eve to spend new years with her. seems doable. looked at hotels near a-basin and most weren't even listing dates that far in advance yet. may also book something in truckee ca and canmore near banff.
I'm a weirdo.
Nice.
I can see booking the xmas week now to save some $$$$ but the other two, specifically truckee, why not wait and see how the season goes? I'm a big fan of hotwiring rooms last minute.
KustyTheKlown
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bc there is no penalty whatsoever to booking. i only do reserve now pay later + free cancellation til the last minute. so i just need to remember to cancel. and i do. i make calendar reminders in my work calendar.
i book the days inn in rutland every summer for every weekend in the winter and just cancel it every Thursday if i am not going to use it. i lock in like $100/night when the price shoots up to like $200 a night or more as it gets closer.[
and to clarify, I'm talking about booking truckee, summit county, slc, and banff all for the same dates so i can just lock in cheap hotels and then book flights and make final decisions when we are much closer in time
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