The ALTERRA SUCKS Thread

[thetrailboss]

Sorry...zero chance they're worse than Vail or even the same. At least their pass prices are just high enough to avoid the same level of crowding that Epic sees. If this was Vail, they wouldn't even know they owned Sugarbush.

Again, IKON crowding is a real thing out west. Not just in Utah, but Palisdes and a lot of resorts in CO.

 

[x10003q]

Alterra is like Blackrock, behind the scenes messing things up but theres not a face to hate because they stay in the shadows.
Vail is like Trump with Rob Katz happily explaining how hes helping you by screwing you over

There is a big difference.
Alterra only can eff with the 18 resorts Alterra owns out of roughly 77 resorts on the Ikon pass.
Vail can eff with all 69 of their resorts.

 

[ThatGuy]

There is a big difference.
Alterra only can eff with the 18 resorts Alterra owns out of roughly 77 resorts on the Ikon pass.
Vail can eff with all 69 of their resorts.

Just because they dont outright own them doesn’t mean they can’t pull their partner resorts arms to force decisions if they feel inclined.

 

[slatham]

Just because they dont outright own them doesn’t mean they can’t pull their partner resorts arms to force decisions if they feel inclined.

Highly unlikely.

 

[urungus]

Just because they dont outright own them doesn’t mean they can’t pull their partner resorts arms to force decisions if they feel inclined.

Example ?

 

[thetrailboss]

Highly unlikely.

They do.

 

[x10003q]

Just because they dont outright own them doesn’t mean they can’t pull their partner resorts arms to force decisions if they feel inclined.

What can Alterra do to Boyne or Killington that matches what is happening at Wildcat or Hunter, for example?

 

[thetrailboss]

What can Alterra do to Boyne or Killington that matches what is happening at Wildcat or Hunter, for example?

Well now you’ve moved the goalposts. The question that you initially posed was what can Alterra do to partner resorts. Not how can they negatively impact operations. But my point would be that they discourage partners from restricting IKON access (i.e. reservations, etc.) IKON and EPIC both cause crowding. But Wildcat and Hunter are Vail controlled and many disagree with the operational issues.

A better apple to apple comparison might be Solitude and Sugarbush. Both have been subject to some operational limitations (not as extreme as Wildcat). And both have not had the same level of capital improvements as folks might have hoped.

 

[thetrailboss]

Example ?

As I said, discouraging restricting IKON access or implementing some crowd control methods (such as reservations). They’ve slowly allowed Alta and JHole to limit access, but it’s been begrudgingly.

 

[ThatGuy]

They can choose which resorts to move capital too, even if they don’t own them there is still investments and incentives involved. Obviously Vail has more day to day oversight but Altera can steer partners in their decisions.

 

[cdskier]

They can choose which resorts to move capital too, even if they don’t own them there is still investments and incentives involved. Obviously Vail has more day to day oversight but Altera can steer partners in their decisions.

Huh? Alterra isn't investing capital in resorts they don't own. Am I missing something here or misinterpreting your comment?