Jay Peak Thread (New owners, New Future)

[drjeff]

The Good Dr. has just stated a paradigm its taken me a lifetime to understand ( and I still have a hard time grasping it). Its all about perception, forget the facts. Pols know this, corporate media know this.

As I get older, just turned 54 last week and started my 46th ski season on plastic mats built on the roof and around the sides of a trash incinerator building in Copenhagen, Denmark (that was truly a memorable ski day with both my kids and my wife!!) I get that I have acquired a bunch of knowledge through experiences (probably closing in on 2000k skj days lifetime and 1k since I joined AZ!) on the hill and my desire to befriend and ask questions of many ski Industry folks (who often love to talk shop with you if you ask them!) and like to provide some of that insight... Whether folks want to listen to that reality view, (sometimes corporate based, sometimes weather reality) I don't know... regardless, everyone wants quality day on the hill!

 

[Zand]

Anecdotally, I skied Jay and Stowe on back to back days multiple times last year and found the snow to be far better in the woods at Stowe both times, and the natural trails skied similar. Not to say that I think Stowe gets more snow, it's obvious that Jay does overall, but of course the wind patterns are different and I think the clientele at Jay just hammer the woods more.

That said, I just saw a video of someone on CanAm this morning and it looked fucking deeeep. Just an incredible start to the season and no end in sight to this pattern.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Nah, Jay gets by far the most snow on the East Coast, and it’s not close.

Correct.

And there's a reason why Jay Peak doesn't have a snow stake webcam like everyone else. Both observations are true.

 

[BenedictGomez]

if one was interested in providing accurate information more than hype, would be to provide more than 1 snowfall total - at least summit + a base area, possibly a mid-mountain location as well if a resort has a particularly wide elevation range like Killington.

I don't expect to see resorts ever start doing this, but I'm just noting that it's not a difficult problem to solve.

Or, I dunno, just spitballing here, not even as complicated as that, maybe just a webcam of a snowstake like most ski resorts, or if not a "stake" some sort of similar depth perception barometer.

 

[AdironRider]

Correct.

And there's a reason why Jay Peak doesn't have a snow stake webcam like everyone else. Both observations are true.

You act like snow stake webcams aren't put in convenient areas for marketing elsewhere.......

 

[thetrailboss]

So having grown up near Jay and skiing there a fair amount, yes, I agree that it does get A LOT of snow. They market the hell out of that. What they don't say is that there is A LOT of wind and a lot of bad weather. Wind significantly impacts lift operations.

But Jay is THE biggest PR machine that I know. They have to be because they are in the middle of nowhere. So I would EXPECT them to have some kind of snowstake/snow camera to help market.

One legitimate reason I could see why they do not have a web cam snowstake has to do with the terrible wind. An official NOAA/NWS Snowtel site has a lot of very stringent requirements in order to be accurate. I don't know where the "official" reporting sites are at Jay.

 

[AdironRider]

So having grown up near Jay and skiing there a fair amount, yes, I agree that it does get A LOT of snow. They market the hell out of that. What they don't say is that there is A LOT of wind and a lot of bad weather. Wind significantly impacts lift operations.

But Jay is THE biggest PR machine that I know. They have to be because they are in the middle of nowhere. So I would EXPECT them to have some kind of snowstake/snow camera to help market.

One legitimate reason I could see why they do not have a web cam snowstake has to do with the terrible wind. An official NOAA/NWS Snowtel site has a lot of very stringent requirements in order to be accurate. I don't know where the "official" reporting sites are at Jay.