Bill Belichick is a Jerk

[JimG.]

To me much ado about nothing.

Wait until your kids decide they aren't going to shake their opponent's hand after a baseball or soccer game, because they saw a famous and heralded coach look like he refused to do it on TV.

 

[from_the_NEK]

I just found the vid on the handshake. In my book, it doesn't look like he snub Peyton. Looks some one got inbetween them when Peyton tried to shake, then they acknowledge each other and who knows Belichick could have given Peyton a pat on the tummy like they way Peyton patting him. Hard to say given the angle. Given a choice I would rather get my tummy patted on than my @ss.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s5vIkdnwqg

According to the video they very well may have shaken hand (very briefly). However, it doesn't look like Bill was real excited to do it. :smash: I would not call this a snub at all. What did you expect Bill to give Peyton a huge hearty handshake? Since he is an ultracompetitive person, that is as much as I would expect from him at that particular moment. His post game interview was awful as well, but he is there to win games and not to be a eloquent public relations specialist.

 

[jack97]

Wait until your kids decide they aren't going to shake their opponent's hand after a baseball or soccer game, because they saw a famous and heralded coach look like he refused to do it on TV.

A guy was in between them on the first try. And then they move close to each other and could have shaken then, it could have been a quick and soft one. I'm just saying it hard to see from this angle. Only people who can tell are the two guys and the media type on the side. Replay shows inconclusive evidence.

 

[JimG.]

I don't get it...could have, looked like he might have, could have quickly, not his job.

Part of sports is sportmanship. Don't you guys believe in that?

 

[Paul]

A guy was in between them on the first try. And then they move close to each other and could have shaken then, it could have been a quick and soft one. I'm just saying it hard to see from this angle. Only people who can tell are the two guys and the media type on the side. Replay shows inconclusive evidence.

"After reviewing the play, there was inconclusive proof of a handshake. The ruling on the field stands. Bill Bellichick is indeed, a jerk. New England will be charged with a time-out."

 

[jack97]

I don't get it...could have, looked like he might have, could have quickly, not his job.

Part of sports is sportmanship. Don't you guys believe in that?

Actually I do. And according to WEEI, after the game he had a lengthy dialog with Dungy. Head coaches do seek out each other and shake, however they do not seek the opposing teams best players and shake. If they do shake, it's because of some establish history with each other.

IMO, football teams (players and coaches) line up in midfield to shake hands like they do in hockey, all the post game interviews would be delay, the networks and the NFL would seriously oppose this.

 

[jack97]

"After reviewing the play, there was inconclusive proof of a handshake. The ruling on the field stands. Bill Bellichick is indeed, a jerk. New England will be charged with a time-out."

Good stuff, you got too much time on your hand.

 

[Paul]

Good stuff, you got too much time on your hand.

Thanks, yes, my job sucks.

 

[JimG.]

Actually I do. And according to WEEI, after the game he had a lengthy dialog with Dungy. Head coaches do seek out each other and shake, however they do not seek the opposing teams best players and shake. If they do shake, it's because of some establish history with each other.

IMO, football teams (players and coaches) line up in midfield to shake hands like they do in hockey, all the post game interviews would be delay, the networks and the NFL would seriously oppose this.

If an opposing player reaches out with a hand after a tough game, the coach ought to shake it.

I'm not suggesting a line up to shake hands after the game. But Manning was right there, waiting to shake Belichick's hand. Belichick should have openly reciprocated. Who cares about prior history or a relationship? This is basic sportsmanship.

I said before the I don't think Belichick is a jerk, but this discussion makes me realize that he's a poor sport.

That is all.

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

I don't get it...could have, looked like he might have, could have quickly, not his job.

Part of sports is sportmanship. Don't you guys believe in that?

I believe in it Jim although remembering back to the days of little league when we would go give high fives and shake hands with the other teams whether we won or lost, when we did win i was very hesitant to do this because even back then those 12yr old were putting spit goobers on their hands when they shook yours.. I think Thats what happened with BIll and Manning, it cant really be anything else can it?

 

[Paul]

I believe in it Jim although remembering back to the days of little league when we would go give high fives and shake hands with the other teams whether we won or lost, when we did win i was very hesitant to do this because even back then those 12yr old were putting spit goobers on their hands when they shook yours.. I think Thats what happened with BIll and Manning, it cant really be anything else can it?

Bill put a spit goober on his hand?


Ah-ha! That explains a lot. ;-)

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Bill put a spit goober on his hand?


Ah-ha! That explains a lot. ;-)

Absolutely thats why Manning went for the pat on the stomach, it all makes sense now i just had to look into my past of sore losers.

 

[JimG.]

I believe in it Jim although remembering back to the days of little league when we would go give high fives and shake hands with the other teams whether we won or lost, when we did win i was very hesitant to do this because even back then those 12yr old were putting spit goobers on their hands when they shook yours.. I think Thats what happened with BIll and Manning, it cant really be anything else can it?

Maybe so...today it isn't spit goobers though. It has progressed way beyond that. I've seen kids on losing teams punch players on the winning side. It's happened to my two oldest boys. My oldest son David put a kid on the ground in a headlock after getting punched. That little prick is lucky I've trained David to immobilize opponents like that and not punch back.

Is this what you guys want to see more of?

 

[FRITOLAYGUY]

Maybe so...today it isn't spit goobers though. It has progressed way beyond that. I've seen kids on losing teams punch players on the winning side. It's happened to my two oldest boys. My oldest son David put a kid on the ground in a headlock after getting punched. That little prick is lucky I've trained David to immobilize opponents like that and not punch back.

Is this what you guys want to see more of?

Damn Jim ill make sure i dont play any pickup games with David. Immobolize opponents, uggg what has the world come too. Seriously though thats cool your son held back and u had enough influence on him so he wouldnt knock somebody out, i would have punched back so theres my immaturity i guess. YOu see it on Espn all the time, football dads beating up Refs, hitting other dads on the sidelines.. I mean its a thug sport, the Cincy Bengals after the other day with their latest knucklehead have now had 9 players, yes 9 in 9 months arrested.. Not a good image but its still the most popular sport by far, go figure.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Maybe so...today it isn't spit goobers though. It has progressed way beyond that. I've seen kids on losing teams punch players on the winning side. It's happened to my two oldest boys. My oldest son David put a kid on the ground in a headlock after getting punched. That little prick is lucky I've trained David to immobilize opponents like that and not punch back.

Is this what you guys want to see more of?

Jim seems to be the only one taking it from a role model for kids perspective. I see his point and agree with him. Kids see too many taunting and trash-talking athletes on TV. It’s no wonder you often see kids doing it in their games.

Seeing Belichick as such a poor loser sets a bad example. No one likes to lose, but we all do throughout our lives, and kids need to learn how to handle it in a mature manner.

 

[jack97]

If an opposing player reaches out with a hand after a tough game, the coach ought to shake it.

I'm not suggesting a line up to shake hands after the game. But Manning was right there, waiting to shake Belichick's hand. Belichick should have openly reciprocated. Who cares about prior history or a relationship? This is basic sportsmanship.

I said before the I don't think Belichick is a jerk, but this discussion makes me realize that he's a poor sport.

That is all.

Replay showed that they nodded to each other and could have said something too. And they could have snuck in the hand shake.

What do you want Belichick to do... use his version of the Howie Long "rip" move to get the media guy out of the way when Peyton extended his hand. Look where it got him last time, after the Jets playoff game when he tried to get to Mangini for photo op hug.

 

[Paul]

Jim seems to be the only one taking it from a role model for kids perspective. I see his point and agree with him. Kids see too many taunting and trash-talking athletes on TV. It’s no wonder you often see kids doing it in their games.

Seeing Belichick as such a poor loser sets a bad example. No one likes to lose, but we all do throughout our lives, and kids need to learn how to handle it in a mature manner.

Absolutely, and I agree with Jim 100% as well.

After a soccer game, my 6 year-old daughter was kicked in the stomach, Chuck Norris style, by a 7 year-old boy on the other team. And they WEREN'T EVEN KEEPING SCORE!!

Naturally, the parents, coaches etc... did absolutely nothing.

I had an extreemly difficult time restraining myself, I had to keep in mind that its always the retaliator that gets in trouble, not the initiator. Obviously, there was nothing I could do to the kid, but I told her to kick his ass in school later that week.

 

[jack97]

Jim seems to be the only one taking it from a role model for kids perspective.

I see this also, but I also tell my kid, once somebody goes on a quest to be the best at something; sports, business and academics, they give up something in their humanity.

 

[JimG.]

Damn Jim ill make sure i dont play any pickup games with David. Immobolize opponents, uggg what has the world come too. Seriously though thats cool your son held back and u had enough influence on him so he wouldnt knock somebody out, i would have punched back so theres my immaturity i guess. YOu see it on Espn all the time, football dads beating up Refs, hitting other dads on the sidelines.. I mean its a thug sport, the Cincy Bengals after the other day with their latest knucklehead have now had 9 players, yes 9 in 9 months arrested.. Not a good image but its still the most popular sport by far, go figure.

This wasn't a pick up game...it was a premier league soccer game. 2 refs, supposed to be the cream of the crop in soccer. That kid had already elbowed David in the ribs because he had scored 2 goals including the eventual game winner. He had also flipped the bird to the visiting parents.

So where did that little punk learn all that?

 

[JimG.]

I see this also, but I also tell my kid, once somebody goes on a quest to be the best at something; sports, business and academics, they give up something in their humanity.

Perhaps...I want my kids to give as little up as needed and do it with style and grace.

There is no doubt that you make someone else a loser when you win...but you have to learn to lose and win with good manners and sportsmanship.

Because even the world's biggest winners have been losers sometimes.