Magic's new "earn your turns" policy

[ski_resort_observer]

I came across this while researching info on the Mountain Hardware Race both the Bush and MRG are hosting this weekend. Never seen such a formal liberal policy posted on a resort's website before. Perhaps things will change at other resorts in the future. Seems like a creative way to capture a niche market.

http://www.magicmtn.com/static_page.php?id=38

 

[SkiDork]

thats pretty nice of them.. Way to go magic!

 

[Marc]

Sorry to nitpick, SRO, but I don't think it's new, new. They had this policy last year, IIRC.

I've already taken advantage of the policy once. I don't think too many people do because we got a lot of strange looks from the downhillers.

 

[Grassi21]

Sorry to nitpick, SRO, but I don't think it's new, new. They had this policy last year, IIRC.

I've already taken advantage of the policy once. I don't think too many people do because we got a lot of strange looks from the downhillers.

They did have it in place last year. When I went to Magic a few weeks back I saw two groups on snow shoes and a chick hiking up with her husky and a snowboard on her back.

 

[Marc]

Wierd, my friend's gf had a husky... actually it was a malamute... when we were there but she didn't have a snowboard on her back.

She was with my gf and my other friends' gf.

Yes, three girls, three guys and a dog for those keeping count. So confusing.

 

[Grassi21]

Wierd, my friend's gf had a husky... actually it was a malamute... when we were there but she didn't have a snowboard on her back.

She was with my gf and my other friends' gf.

Yes, three girls, three guys and a dog for those keeping count. So confusing.

Sounds like fun.... minus the guys. And minus the dog.... unless you are into that kind of thing... I'm not

I keep drooling over the AT boots on Tramdock. If I had money to blow I would have pulled the trigger on an AT setup already.

 

[roark]

There were a few turn earners there on Saturday.

 

[severine]

Cool policy, especially that they'll let you go after hours, too. Makes me almost wish I had touring gear...and knew how to use it.

 

[billski]

Agree with marc, thought Magic always let you do that.
many areas let you do it by turning a blind eye, but not that many have a formal policy and promotion.
I'm too lazy....

 

[ski_resort_observer]

I've already taken advantage of the policy once. I don't think too many people do because we got a lot of strange looks from the downhillers.

and that would bother you since when? :lol: I guess I never noticed it on the website before, think it's a great idea for Magic, just trying to spread the good news around.

 

[Marc]

and that would bother you since when? I guess I never noticed it on the website before

Yeah, I pretty much get strange looks no matter where I go or what I'm doing so, good point. Most of the time it's Austin's fault though.

 

[bvibert]

Sorry to nitpick, SRO, but I don't think it's new, new. They had this policy last year, IIRC.

Yes, we talked about this last Oct.:
http://forums.alpinezone.com/18256-earn-your-turns-magic.html
I believe last year was the first for the official policy.

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Yes, we talked about this last Oct.:
http://forums.alpinezone.com/18256-earn-your-turns-magic.html
I believe last year was the first for the official policy.

thanks.....good reinforcement to use the search function...... my bad

 

[tjf67]

Sounds like fun.... minus the guys. And minus the dog.... unless you are into that kind of thing... I'm not

I keep drooling over the AT boots on Tramdock. If I had money to blow I would have pulled the trigger on an AT setup already.

You can skip the AT boots. I have very stiff alpine boots and they work fine with my at set up. When I mean fine, I can skin just as fast and with a little kick wax keep up with my tele buddies. If your feet dont hurt in your alpine set up they wont hurt in the at set up. Just my exp is all. thought I was going to have to dump 700 beans on at boots. Not the case.

 

[Marc]

You can skip the AT boots. I have very stiff alpine boots and they work fine with my at set up. When I mean fine, I can skin just as fast and with a little kick wax keep up with my tele buddies. If your feet dont hurt in your alpine set up they wont hurt in the at set up. Just my exp is all. thought I was going to have to dump 700 beans on at boots. Not the case.

Depends on how much touring you do. And the bold part is most definitely not true... skinning is quite a different motion from skiing. Also, walk mode is huge, being canted that far forward all the time will be tiring, especially on long tours. And just because you can keep up with your skinning partners doesn't mean the alpine boots aren't slowing you down.

The other thing worth mentioning is having a rockered, lugged sole. If you want to do any scrambling, ya need that.

Plus, there's no reasonable to pay $700 for touring boots. I know personally of not one person who has dropped that much. I just bought Mega-rides off of Tramdock for $350.

Alpine boots are fine for short tours at ski areas if you're just getting into the sport, but I think most people end up quickly wishing for AT boots.

And Dynafit bindings, as I currently am.

 

[tjf67]

Depends on how much touring you do. And the bold part is most definitely not true... skinning is quite a different motion from skiing. Also, walk mode is huge, being canted that far forward all the time will be tiring, especially on long tours. And just because you can keep up with your skinning partners doesn't mean the alpine boots aren't slowing you down.

The other thing worth mentioning is having a rockered, lugged sole. If you want to do any scrambling, ya need that.

Plus, there's no reasonable to pay $700 for touring boots. I know personally of not one person who has dropped that much. I just bought Mega-rides off of Tramdock for $350.

Alpine boots are fine for short tours at ski areas if you're just getting into the sport, but I think most people end up quickly wishing for AT boots.

And Dynafit bindings, as I currently am.

What can i tell you. Been on decent size tours around the ADK and have not had a problem. Was worried about it at first but found I was mis informed. If you done any touring up here you know it takes a couple of miles to get to the hills you want to ski. I will say that the first couple of times I went my knees hurt. But like anything you build the muscle and it goes away.

Skinning is a different motion. The set up I use, Duke, Blowers,and enforcers keep you in a very narrow range of motion. When you get used to it you can move along at a half way decent pace. Then when you lock down at the top you get rewarded.

 

[Marc]

What can i tell you. Been on decent size tours around the ADK and have not had a problem. Was worried about it at first but found I was mis informed. If you done any touring up here you know it takes a couple of miles to get to the hills you want to ski. I will say that the first couple of times I went my knees hurt. But like anything you build the muscle and it goes away.

Skinning is a different motion. The set up I use, Duke, Blowers,and enforcers keep you in a very narrow range of motion. When you get used to it you can move along at a half way decent pace. Then when you lock down at the top you get rewarded.

Ehh... the espousing of your personal experience is all well and good, but once you start claiming others will have similar results, it becomes disingenous.

If one can "skip AT boots" as you claim, certainly of all the people out there that use AT boots, there would have been one intelligent enough to figure out they weren't necessary by now.

Facts for consideration-

1) Others experiences will not be the same as yours
2) Those who have toured extensively in both alpine and AT boots are probably more qualified to speak on the subject, rather than just one or the other
3) A "very narrow range of motion" is a luck based situation- if nothing physiologically is moving incorrectly, then you'll be ok, and if not you will earn yourself a nice repetative injury, which can be the hardest and most frustrating to resolve

That being said, I would advocate for using alpine boots at first to find out if touring is something one likes, and then decide whether purchasing AT boots is worth the money afterwards. I would certainly stop short of telling someone what their preference will be, but there cannot be a complete discussion with a one sided opinion.

 

[tjf67]

Ehh... the espousing of your personal experience is all well and good, but once you start claiming others will have similar results, it becomes disingenous.

If one can "skip AT boots" as you claim, certainly of all the people out there that use AT boots, there would have been one intelligent enough to figure out they weren't necessary by now.

Facts for consideration-

1) Others experiences will not be the same as yours
2) Those who have toured extensively in both alpine and AT boots are probably more qualified to speak on the subject, rather than just one or the other
3) A "very narrow range of motion" is a luck based situation- if nothing physiologically is moving incorrectly, then you'll be ok, and if not you will earn yourself a nice repetative injury, which can be the hardest and most frustrating to resolve

That being said, I would advocate for using alpine boots at first to find out if touring is something one likes, and then decide whether purchasing AT boots is worth the money afterwards. I would certainly stop short of telling someone what their preference will be, but there cannot be a complete discussion with a one sided opinion.

Just saying what works for me. You being an expert would know better than I.

 

[Marc]

Just saying what works for me. You being an expert would know better than I.

Let me know where I claimed to be an expert. If you can, I'll retract it, because I'm not.

And no, you weren't just saying what works for you. If you had, I wouldn't have cared, but you explicity told Chris-

You can skip the AT boots.

Now I'm not saying Chris isn't intelligent enough to know better than to trust the instruction of just one voice, but there's no need to give false impressions either.

 

[Grassi21]

Let me know where I claimed to be an expert. If you can, I'll retract it, because I'm not.

And no, you weren't just saying what works for you. If you had, I wouldn't have cared, but you explicity told Chris-



Now I'm not saying Chris isn't intelligent enough to know better than to trust the instruction of just one voice, but there's no need to give false impressions either.

I smart.

I am also a gear whore and want AT boots.