Vail to require employees to wear a helmet next season while on the job

[mondeo]

Drug testing in the private sector is totally illegal after being hired. It is presumptive, because it is "guilty before being proven innocent".

Show me the law that says that. The constitution only applies to the government's actions; the private sector is free to restrict free speech, presume guilt, etc. If it were totally illegal as you say, then how do professional sports and airlines get away with it?

 

[Riverskier]

Vail is simply making this part of the uniform, or dress code, however you choose to describe it. Requiring uniforms or instituting dress codes is typical across all types of business from fast food restaurants to constructions workers to office workers, etc. Sometimes for safety reasons, image, advertsising, either way it is perfectly acceptable. I have had numerous jobs in varying industries and all of them have had some dress code, or guidlines. Requiring customers to wear them? That would be a whole other issue, and most likely I wouldn't support it.

Is it is good idea? Yes, of course it is. It sets a good example, and you are undeniably safer with a helmet than without one.

 

[SkiDork]

They should defintiely have some sort of Vail helmet with the logo etc. That would look nice.

 

[mondeo]

It sets a good example, and you are undeniably safer with a helmet than without one.

A. Welcome to the board.

B. There are those that argue that helmets breed complacency and lead to greater risk taking, therefore making skiing with a helmet more dangerous than without. I don't agree with that (I know I do the same amount of stupid things with and without my helmet on,) but undeniably safer is a pretty strong statement.

 

[RootDKJ]

So could buying 6500 helmets.

Agreed, but it's a one time cost (plus an estimated % of churn).

 

[Riverskier]

A. Welcome to the board.

B. There are those that argue that helmets breed complacency and lead to greater risk taking, therefore making skiing with a helmet more dangerous than without. I don't agree with that (I know I do the same amount of stupid things with and without my helmet on,) but undeniably safer is a pretty strong statement.

Thank you! Have been a long time reader, finally decided to join.

Agreed that undeniable is a pretty strong statement and perhaps not the best choice of words. However, I don't believe too strongly in the "false sense of security" argument. Perhaps true in some cases, but in general I feel the skiing poulation is safer with a helmet than without. There are documented cases of helmets saving lives and preventing more serious injury, and like you I do just as many stupid things without a helmet as with one!

 

[ed-drum]

Hey Mondeo, why don't you look up the cases and statutes yourself. Federal income taxes are totally illegal and there is no law that says we have to pay them. Yet, why are told if we don't pay taxes, we are breaking the law. People get declared not guilty in tax trials through jury nullification but the tv doesn't tell you that. There are too many laws and next there will be a helmet law. Testing someone for drugs that doesn't have a safety issue with their job is intrusive and unconstitutional. Drug testing companies get sued all of the time for false positives but they don't want you to know that either. Drug testing is a billion dollar business. Due your own research. I'm not your handmaiden. Oh yeah, you think that the U.S. Constitution only applies to Government workers and not the private sector? What have you been smoking because I want some.

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Hey Mondeo, why don't you look up the cases and statutes yourself. Federal income taxes are totally illegal and there is no law that says we have to pay them. Yet, why are told if we don't pay taxes, we are breaking the law. People get declared not guilty in tax trials through jury nullification but the tv doesn't tell you that. There are too many laws and next there will be a helmet law. Testing someone for drugs that doesn't have a safety issue with their job is intrusive and unconstitutional. Drug testing companies get sued all of the time for false positives but they don't want you to know that either. Drug testing is a billion dollar business. Due your own research. I'm not your handmaiden.

LOL...MONDEO got owned!!!!!:dunce:

 

[mondeo]

Federal income taxes are totally illegal and there is no law that says we have to pay them.

"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."

I dunno, the 16th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution seems pretty clear.

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus.

LOL...MONDEO got owned!!!!!:dunce:

Say what?

 

[Stache]

ya know- i wasnt to good in math- but in english ize the bestest they got!

fixed it for ya.

 

[ed-drum]

Watch "From Freedom to Fascism" by Aaron Russo on the internet for free. Then come back and argue. The Supreme court ruled that "income" is what is derived from corporate profits. The new film "The Obama Deception" also explains all of this. It can also be watched for free.There are too many "laws" in this country and the people are getting ready to explode. Of course, a lot of people will have the best excuse not to do anything for they "don't have the time." But they have the time to argue. I don't want anyone telling me to wear a helmet or not. PERIOD! Someone else raised the drug testing issue, not I.

 

[mondeo]

Watch "From Freedom to Fascism" by Aaron Russo on the internet for free. Then come back and argue. The Supreme court ruled that "income" is what is derived from corporate profits. The new film "The Obama Deception" also explains all of this. It can also be watched for free.There are too many "laws" in this country and the people are getting ready to explode. Of course, a lot of people will have the best excuse not to do anything for they "don't have the time." But they have the time to argue. I don't want anyone telling me to wear a helmet or not. PERIOD! Someone else raised the drug testing issue, not I.

I'm not going to waste my time watching that one-sided drivel, much like I don't waste my time watching stuff by Michael Moore. People like that take an extremely selective part of the picture, add their spin to it, and claim that it represents the whole picture. Like arguing that not guilty by jury nullification means someone is innocent when in reality it means that the jury ignored the law and let someone go despite the fact they were guilty. And seeing as how you're set in your beliefs despite the fact that they are, without a doubt, wrong, I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing with you.

Drug testing is legal, it's just that firing for someone for a false positive is grounds for a wrongful termination suit, in which case the rules of evidence are much more lenient and the burden of proof much lower than in a criminal trial. A company can require employees to wear helmets, as can the government. The Constitution for the most part is simply a framework for government, not laws in itself; it doesn't even really say what government employees can do, it just defines the roles of Congress, the presidency, and Supreme Court, along with a few restrictions.

Ideologically I agree with you, you just don't have that firm a grasp on reality.

 

[ed-drum]

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Albert Einstein. I don't have a grip on reality? Are you insinuating that I'm insane? You sir, are a fool. Go to employeeissues.com

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

Are there any Vail employees on here???? If I was a Vail employee I'd be really happy...free helmet..JEA!!!!!

I would wear the Vail helmet to Jackson Hole so the J-Holeittes would no I'm legit..

 

[mondeo]

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Albert Einstein. I don't have a grip on reality? Are you insinuating that I'm insane? You sir, are a fool. Go to employeeissues.com

And seeing as how you're set in your beliefs despite the fact that they are, without a doubt, wrong, I'm not going to waste any more of my time arguing with you.

Amendment 16 shows you to be wrong. Why would I investigate it any further?

 

[Hawkshot99]

So ed-drum I ask you. Do you pay income tax or tell the IRS to shove it?

 

[RootDKJ]

I really thought this thread would have hit 200 posts by now.

 

[ed-drum]

"It is not worthwhile to strain ones' self to tell the truth to people who habitually discount everything you tell them, whether it's true or isn't." Mark Twain

 

[Beetlenut]

"Condemnation without investigation is the height of ignorance." Albert Einstein.

"It is not worthwhile to strain ones' self to tell the truth to people who habitually discount everything you tell them, whether it's true or isn't." Mark Twain

So ed-drum I ask you. Do you pay income tax or tell the IRS to shove it?

Wow Ed, you're quite the little quote machine!
Answer Hawkshot99's question!
Do you have a family?
In theory it's great to argue against taxes and government over-reach, but the practical application of your defiance, especially when you have a family, is another thing.

 

[ComeBackMudPuddles]

Vail is simply making this part of the uniform, or dress code, however you choose to describe it. Requiring uniforms or instituting dress codes is typical across all types of business from fast food restaurants to constructions workers to office workers, etc. Sometimes for safety reasons, image, advertsising, either way it is perfectly acceptable. I have had numerous jobs in varying industries and all of them have had some dress code, or guidlines. Requiring customers to wear them? That would be a whole other issue, and most likely I wouldn't support it.

Is it is good idea? Yes, of course it is. It sets a good example, and you are undeniably safer with a helmet than without one.

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