Dirty Ole Vermont!

[UVSHTSTRM]

Just reading some stupid thing online of places that are considered "must miss places" to travel. Some of the places on there were the obvious such as Lagos Nigeria (over population, crime, poverty), Nevada (Crime), NYC (Too Sweaty). Then came Vermont, yes Vermont is on the list of the 15 or so place you must miss. The reason you ask, turns out the state with a reputation for being "Green" actually has 126 Lakes and Rivers that don't meet the minimum water quality standards. Lake Champlain is one of the worst, it actually has 19 spots where storm water flows in making these areas very toxic. I am sure other states are worse, but I would bet Vermont was singled out becuase of it's precieved "Green" status.

 

[thetrailboss]

Well.....

It depends on what is "toxic." Lake Champlain is actually a lot better than it was. Will it be perfect? No. Algae is a huge problem in the northern end. As to the rivers, what are they?

 

[JerseyJoey]

As to the rivers, what are they?

Flowing bodies of water

 

[bousquet19]

There are water quality standards, and then there are water quality standards.

Not all water bodies that fail to meet water quality standards are "toxic," i.e., poisonous. Many carry too much sewage bacteria (sometimes pathogenic) or sediment (smothers aquatic life), for instance. In reading water quality reports or quoting their findings, it's important to check to see exactly what the impairments and stressors (identified causes) are.

Woody

 

[billski]

I have a color tourist brochure from the 70's that espouses all the attractive things about the state. One entire page is spent illustrating a big asbestos mine in Vermont. I believe it was pretty close to Jay - Eden and Lowell. I should dig it out and scan it.

 

[Black Phantom]

thetrailboss
As to the rivers, what are they?

Flowing bodies of water

Just to elaborate on this confusing topic:

A river is a natural watercourse,[1] usually freshwater, flowing toward an ocean, a lake, a sea, or another river. In a few cases, a river simply flows into the ground or dries up completely before reaching another body of water. Small rivers may also be called by several other names, including stream, creek, brook, rivulet, tributary and rill; there is no general rule that defines what can be called a river, although in some countries or communities a stream may be defined by its size. Many names for small rivers are specific to geographic location; one example is "burn" in Scotland and North-east England. Sometimes a river is said to be larger than a creek,[2] but this is not always the case, because of vagueness in the language.[3]

A river is part of the hydrological cycle. Water within a river is generally collected from precipitation through surface runoff, groundwater recharge, springs, and the release of stored water in natural ice and snowpacks (e.g., from glaciers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River

 

[deadheadskier]

The issues with water quality are being addressed. It's mainly due to the Dairy industry. You see many rivers throughout the state on farm land that are stripped of plants/trees along the shoreline. Those plants and trees naturally treat the manure run off before it gets into the rivers. There are ecology consultants that work for the state that are working with farmers to restore watershed buffers. It won't happen overnight, but the quality continues to improve over time.

 

[thetrailboss]

Just to elaborate on this confusing topic:

A river is a natural watercourse,[1] usually freshwater, flowing toward an ocean, a lake, a sea, or another river. In a few cases, a river simply flows into the ground or dries up completely before reaching another body of water. Small rivers may also be called by several other names, including stream, creek, brook, rivulet, tributary and rill; there is no general rule that defines what can be called a river, although in some countries or communities a stream may be defined by its size. Many names for small rivers are specific to geographic location; one example is "burn" in Scotland and North-east England. Sometimes a river is said to be larger than a creek,[2] but this is not always the case, because of vagueness in the language.[3]

A river is part of the hydrological cycle. Water within a river is generally collected from precipitation through surface runoff, groundwater recharge, springs, and the release of stored water in natural ice and snowpacks (e.g., from glaciers).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/River

Smartasses. No which rivers do they claim are polluted?

 

[noski]

This was a rehash of a prior 'feature' a couple years ago. The author of a particular book has sensationalized the content, to, of course, sell more books. The info is outdated, inaccurate and out of context. The best response is no response on this. Of course, now that I have responded I should retract that....

 

[mondeo]

As to the rivers, what are they?

Flowing bodies of water

But that's not important right now.

 

[legalskier]

The author of a particular book has sensationalized the content, to, of course, sell more books. The info is outdated, inaccurate and out of context. The best response is no response on this. Of course, now that I have responded I should retract that....

+1
As the above posts demonstrate, generalizing about a place as large and diverse as a state is useless and often merely reflects bias, prejudice and/or a hidden agenda. For example, some here, who are otherwise thoughtful and well-spoken, use the derisive term "dirty Jersey," which is equally useless.

 

[jaywbigred]

Just reading some stupid thing online of places that are considered "must miss places" to travel. Some of the places on there were the obvious such as Lagos Nigeria (over population, crime, poverty), Nevada (Crime), NYC (Too Sweaty). Then came Vermont, yes Vermont is on the list of the 15 or so place you must miss. The reason you ask, turns out the state with a reputation for being "Green" actually has 126 Lakes and Rivers that don't meet the minimum water quality standards. Lake Champlain is one of the worst, it actually has 19 spots where storm water flows in making these areas very toxic. I am sure other states are worse, but I would bet Vermont was singled out becuase of it's precieved "Green" status.

Umm, link??

 

[mondeo]

Also, hippies are dirty, and Vermont is full of them.

 

[billski]

I think it's hilarious when cityfolk move the the country and then start complaining about the smell of manure, roosters crowing at 4:30am and goats eating from their gardens. The farmers don't see much humor in it at all.

 

[bousquet19]

I have a color tourist brochure from the 70's that espouses all the attractive things about the state. One entire page is spent illustrating a big asbestos mine in Vermont. I believe it was pretty close to Jay - Eden and Lowell. I should dig it out and scan it.

Yes, it's on a massif called, ironically, Belvedere Mountain.

Woody

 

[deadheadskier]

Yes, it's on a massif called, ironically, Belvedere Mountain.

Woody

people ski that aspestos mine on Belvedere. not legally, but they do.

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

Umm, link??

No, not any longer, it was one of those MSN "list" slide shows that you see when you open up the MSN homepage.