Vt. ski resort to ban smoking

[SkiDork]

75% Cannon. Then about 20% spread over Wildcat, Jay, Sugarbush. Then randomly anywhere else. Only been to Pico and Killington once each.

Interesting.

I would venture to say that I myself rarely encounter smokers in line at Killington. I think the reason it was so prevalent the past few weekends was:

1) Only resort open

2) Everyone squeezed onto 1 lift line, which was averaging a 15 minute wait.

Regular season with all lifts open I hardly ever run into it.

 

[bvibert]

You can search back in the threads about stuff people hate in liftlines and on the lifts... smoking in the liftline and on the lift is one of the few things that happen while I am skiing that really upset me. I can't simply move away from the smoke and--though many smokers and some less sensitive non-smokers don't understand, or care to understand--it really bothers my respiratory system.

That said, I think this is a little extreme and rather unfriendly to smokers. Interesting move to promote Pico as very family friendly... as long as you are not a family that has a smoker in it. Don't smoke right outside a door, don't smoke in a lift line, don't smoke on the lift... that seems like a no brainer to me. But don't smoke any where on resort property?

Eh, businesses can do what they want with their property and their business. But that is a really unfriendly policy. Smokers are not going to go 8 hours straight without a butt. Thus, smokers just won't ski at Pico. Or, they will and will smoke any ways.

I agree with everything said above.

 

[bvibert]

I see this as being unenforceable, and most likely leading to more smoking on the lifts, probably to the annoyance of the other people on said lift.

I also agree with this.

 

[speden]

I would hope they'd still set up a designated area for the smokers somewhere out of sight of kids, and hopefully downwind of everyone else. Some smokers can get by with nicotine gum, but for others on the nicotine roller coaster, they will just light up where the rule is not easily enforced.

I think people are becoming more sensitive to smoking since it got pushed outside of buildings. Now even a hint of the stuff has become more noticeable. For myself I now notice third hand smoke from the few people in my building that still go outside to smoke. The stuff clings to their clothes and stinks up their office, the men's john, and even leaves a trail when they walk down a hallway. It's like they are spreading a slow acting pesticide around the office on a daily basis. And I was reading an article that 90 percent of kids who have a parent that smokes have readily detectable tobacco compounds in their urine. The stuff is really just bad news. I'm fine with people using it recreationally if they choose too, but they should do it in a way that doesn't expose non-users, and especially children.

 

[Kerovick]

I think resort wide is a bit much also.

It should definitly be banned in liftlines, on the lift doesn't bother me to much. I don't mind an occasional wiff of smoke.

Working as a lifty, 90% of the dumdasses that actually smoke in the lift line are 15year old boys that think they are cool. Sadly, I was that little twerp back in the day :-( But of course that was back in the 80's and people didn't complain as much back then.

 

[jaywbigred]

I've never touched a cig in my life. I also don't buy the BS that people that smoke can't quit. My dad smoked 3 packs of cigs a day for 40 years. Had a cig in his mouth when he woke up and when he went to sleep. There was always a cloud around him for many years. He had a minor heart attach 18 years ago and just quit cold turkey. Doesn't miss it for a second. If he can quit, anybody can quit...

Good for your Dad!! However, I would venture to guess that the scientific studies of brain chemistry, smoking, and addiction would reveal that your Dad is in the extreme minority. Chemical addiction is not the same for everyone. When scientific studies reveal a clear trend (i.e. quitting is difficult and usually takes many attempts before success), offering up your silly, personal, contradictory anecdote in an attempt to refute that clear trend is a banal form of argument, and pretty much meaningless. It also kinda makes you sound like an a$$.

I am a nonsmoker, and I don't want to be in the same car, room, or even liftline if someone else is smoking. That said, the occasional whiff of smoke you get when you pass by a designated smoking area do not bother me in the least. I hate vigilante anti-smokers that can't deal with perfectly reasonable compromises between smokers and nonsmokers, compromises that do not impact their health or well being in any negative way. I guess in general I respect people that can be reasonable, and am frustrated by people that can't.

You'll also see dogs in restaurants and people who use cologne instead of taking showers.

LOL. Hilarious.

I think resort wide is a bit much also.

It should definitly be banned in liftlines, on the lift doesn't bother me to much. I don't mind an occasional wiff of smoke.

Exactly.

 

[Huck_It_Baby]

In thousands of ski days I don't think I've actually ever seen someone smoking in a lift line. But then again I don't ski Pico and Killington. Maybe its a resort-specific problem and that's why they are considering the ban?

I noticed No Smoking signs in the lift lines at Whistler 2 years ago. I think it becomes an issue at larger resorts where you have many people who smoke and also many people who don't but feel the need to complain. So the resort becomes obligated to attempt a balanced action.

Lift line ban is reasonable....banning an entire resort would not only be impossible to enforce but would drive away smokers who pay for lift tickets. That could equate to a significant loss of revenue.

 

[tjf67]

I noticed No Smoking signs in the lift lines at Whistler 2 years ago. I think it becomes an issue at larger resorts where you have many people who smoke and also many people who don't but feel the need to complain. So the resort becomes obligated to attempt a balanced action.

Lift line ban is reasonable....banning an entire resort would not only be impossible to enforce but would drive away smokers who pay for lift tickets. That could equate to a significant loss of revenue.

As I smoker I could care a less if they ban smoking at a hill. I would ski there. I will also smoke. I dont smoke in liftlines(rude) on lifts with strangers or in doorways. When I am on the deck out by the fire I smoke. When people complain I smoke and continue talking with whomever I am speaking with. You as a non-smoker have the right to walk away and I don't fault you for it.

 

[Smellytele]

As I smoker I could care a less if they ban smoking at a hill. I would ski there. I will also smoke. I dont smoke in liftlines(rude) on lifts with strangers or in doorways. When I am on the deck out by the fire I smoke. When people complain I smoke and continue talking with whomever I am speaking with. You as a non-smoker have the right to walk away and I don't fault you for it.

You sir are the reason why they have these bans.

 

[tjf67]

You sir are the reason why they have these bans.

You would not even know I smoked if I were around you. You sir dont know what you are talking about.

 

[gmcunni]

i wonder if Pico is offering refunds to customers who smoke and purchased a season pass prior to the announcement of the ban?

 

[2knees]

smoking in the liftline is downright rude. people who get totally bent out of shape cause i'm having a cigarette out of the way of the masses and they happen to walk by is downright rude. I think there are a$$holes on both sides of the fence.

 

[2knees]

one other thing always drives me bananas when smoking is discussed as this great social evil. It is a terrible habit, but as a country we are the most obese in the world. The strain all these fat people put on our health care system and in turn our wallets, is far more serious then smokers. 2 out of every 3 americans is overweight or obese. the cost of this bullsh*t is $117 BILLION annually as of the year 2000. The next time some fatass gives me lip for smoking in the corner of the parking lot, i'm going to ask him for a $20 bill to cover my costs for his eating habits.

now go get a diet coke with your 15 bacon cheeseburgers.

 

[deadheadskier]

indeed. lets ban everything.

I say screw the haters and dip my butts in transfat

 

[Glenn]

one other thing always drives me bananas when smoking is discussed as this great social evil. It is a terrible habit, but as a country we are the most obese in the world. The strain all these fat people put on our health care system and in turn our wallets, is far more serious then smokers. 2 out of every 3 americans is overweight or obese. the cost of this bullsh*t is $117 BILLION annually as of the year 2000. The next time some fatass gives me lip for smoking in the corner of the parking lot, i'm going to ask him for a $20 bill to cover my costs for his eating habits.

now go get a diet coke with your 15 bacon cheeseburgers.

There is a large grain of truth in the above post.

Next time you're at the ski hill, check out what people are eating.

 

[Smellytele]

one other thing always drives me bananas when smoking is discussed as this great social evil. It is a terrible habit, but as a country we are the most obese in the world. The strain all these fat people put on our health care system and in turn our wallets, is far more serious then smokers. 2 out of every 3 americans is overweight or obese. the cost of this bullsh*t is $117 BILLION annually as of the year 2000. The next time some fatass gives me lip for smoking in the corner of the parking lot, i'm going to ask him for a $20 bill to cover my costs for his eating habits.

now go get a diet coke with your 15 bacon cheeseburgers.

The worst are fat people who smoke.

 

[SkiDork]

The worst are fat people who smoke.

and vote...

 

[bvibert]

one other thing always drives me bananas when smoking is discussed as this great social evil. It is a terrible habit, but as a country we are the most obese in the world. The strain all these fat people put on our health care system and in turn our wallets, is far more serious then smokers. 2 out of every 3 americans is overweight or obese. the cost of this bullsh*t is $117 BILLION annually as of the year 2000. The next time some fatass gives me lip for smoking in the corner of the parking lot, i'm going to ask him for a $20 bill to cover my costs for his eating habits.

now go get a diet coke with your 15 bacon cheeseburgers.

Mmmmmm... bacon cheeseburgers.... Regular Pepsi though please, no diet crap.

 

[WWF-VT]

Lift line ban is reasonable....banning an entire resort would not only be impossible to enforce but would drive away smokers who pay for lift tickets. That could equate to a significant loss of revenue.

I agree that actively banning is next to impossible but my bet is that the economic cost of driving away smokers is neglible. Statistics say that approximately 21% of US adults smoke. My guess is that the percentage of skiers who smoke (tobacco) is way less than 20%. The dollars lost in smokers not buying lift tickets is likely to be exceeded by people purchasing tickets to ski at a smoke free resort.

 

[deadheadskier]

I agree that actively banning is next to impossible but my bet is that the economic cost of driving away smokers is neglible. Statistics say that approximately 21% of US adults smoke. My guess is that the percentage of skiers who smoke (tobacco) is way less than 20%. The dollars lost in smokers not buying lift tickets is likely to be exceeded by people purchasing tickets to ski at a smoke free resort.

I'd say the financial impact is going to be meaningless in either direction.