Vt. ski resort to ban smoking

[Sparky]

one other thing always drives me bananas when smoking is discussed as this great social evil. It is a terrible habit, but as a country we are the most obese in the world. The strain all these fat people put on our health care system and in turn our wallets, is far more serious then smokers. 2 out of every 3 americans is overweight or obese. the cost of this bullsh*t is $117 BILLION annually as of the year 2000. The next time some fatass gives me lip for smoking in the corner of the parking lot, i'm going to ask him for a $20 bill to cover my costs for his eating habits.

now go get a diet coke with your 15 bacon cheeseburgers.

They may be fat, but that doesn't effect your health like second hand smoke can. Bottom line people have a right to not to not have their health jeopardized by someone elses addiction.

 

[RENO]

Good for your Dad!! However, I would venture to guess that the scientific studies of brain chemistry, smoking, and addiction would reveal that your Dad is in the extreme minority. Chemical addiction is not the same for everyone. When scientific studies reveal a clear trend (i.e. quitting is difficult and usually takes many attempts before success), offering up your silly, personal, contradictory anecdote in an attempt to refute that clear trend is a banal form of argument, and pretty much meaningless. It also kinda makes you sound like an a$$.

In my best 3 Stooges Curly voice: Me thinks I've been banally insulted! :roll: :lol:

Anybody remember those candy powder cigs they used to sell to kids many years ago? I remember buying those and blowing the powder out and pretending to smoke. Then you eat the candy. People were a lot more stupid back then when it came to smoking! :lol:

 

[2knees]

They may be fat, but that doesn't effect your health like second hand smoke can. Bottom line people have a right to not to not have their health jeopardized by someone elses addiction.

and i have the right not to have my financial security jeopardized by someone elses addiction.

look, smoking around people who dont smoke is something I personally dont do. I dont smoke in liftlines, on decks being used by other people and i rarely smoke on a lift unless i'm alone or with another smoker. and i go as far as to make sure there is nobody on the chair behind me. So i try not to affect others with my habit as absolutely best i can. However, it doesnt matter if that obese person is living in Alaska, it still impacts my health care costs.

 

[tjf67]

They may be fat, but that doesn't effect your health like second hand smoke can. Bottom line people have a right to not to not have their health jeopardized by someone elses addiction.

Yup and thats why we are outside. I think it is a fair.

 

[Smellytele]

and i have the right not to have my financial security jeopardized by someone elses addiction.

look, smoking around people who dont smoke is something I personally dont do. I dont smoke in liftlines, on decks being used by other people and i rarely smoke on a lift unless i'm alone or with another smoker. and i go as far as to make sure there is nobody on the chair behind me. So i try not to affect others with my habit as absolutely best i can. However, it doesnt matter if that obese person is living in Alaska, it still impacts my health care costs.

Your smoking can impact my health care cost as well. Obese people suck as do smokers doesn't matter if they live in Alaska or the northeast.

 

[Smellytele]

You would not even know I smoked if I were around you. You sir dont know what you are talking about.

Well you are the one who said "When I am on the deck out by the fire I smoke. When people complain I smoke and continue talking with whomever I am speaking with. You as a non-smoker have the right to walk away and I don't fault you for it."

 

[tjf67]

Your smoking can impact my health care cost as well. Obese people suck as do smokers doesn't matter if they live in Alaska or the northeast.

And so do people who stink and smoke weed.

 

[bvibert]

People who ski and engage in other risky behavior impact health care costs too....

 

[tjf67]

Well you are the one who said "When I am on the deck out by the fire I smoke. When people complain I smoke and continue talking with whomever I am speaking with. You as a non-smoker have the right to walk away and I don't fault you for it."

Thats right. We start the fire and keep it going so we can smoke where it is somewhat warm. Non smokers come out and most could give a crap if we are smoking. The ones who do we smile and just keep doing what we are doing.

Most smokers are good about it. Most non smokers are good about it. Its not that big a deal other than on the internet from my observations.

 

[speden]

However, it doesnt matter if that obese person is living in Alaska, it still impacts my health care costs.

Some of the obesity we're seeing in recent times may not be due to over eating/lack of willpower. The research is starting to suggest that processed food which contains somewhat unnatural sweeteners, like high fructose corn syrup, is a strong contributor to obesity. The human body just isn't designed to properly digest large quantities of fructose. It's somewhat like eating candy for every meal without people even knowing it. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these sweeteners are restricted or banned in the next five or ten years, just like we're seeing with smoking.

Hard to say which drives up health care costs more, obesity or smoking. If people can quit smoking by about age 40, I don't think the health care costs are that bad, but if they stick with it after that, things can start to go south pretty fast.

 

[snafu]

Man all this tension lately...I think we all need to get out and ski - quick!

Seriously though, I think it will be selectively enforced - as in anyone caught smoking in lines/lift/crowded areas will get punished - a lone smoker off to the side shouldn't have to worry - and why should they? Plus it makes you feel like you are sticking it to the man when you get away with it:beer:

They should have at least one indoor place where smokers could go, preferably a bar where smoking is allowed. I mean it is winter and all, have some mercy on those poor addicted souls.

 

[Glenn]

They may be fat, but that doesn't effect your health like second hand smoke can. Bottom line people have a right to not to not have their health jeopardized by someone elses addiction.

Indoors I beleive the 2nd hand smoke argument. Outside, not so much. It's like saying because the kid on the chair in front of you fired up a joint, you had to ski stoned the rest of the day and failed a drug test Monday at work. Just because you smell it, doesn't mean you're receiving the full effect. IMHO.

 

[gmcunni]

It's like saying because the kid on the chair in front of you fired up a joint, you had to ski stoned the rest of the day . .

only if you are lucky! ;-)

 

[darent]

As I smoker I could care a less if they ban smoking at a hill. I would ski there. I will also smoke. I dont smoke in liftlines(rude) on lifts with strangers or in doorways. When I am on the deck out by the fire I smoke. When people complain I smoke and continue talking with whomever I am speaking with. You as a non-smoker have the right to walk away and I don't fault you for it.

not a smoker but you are correct, they can walk away. people forget that smoking is a legal activity. It sure is looked at as illegal , a little consideration goes a long way for both smoker and nonsmoker. with all they know about the health issues you would think smokes would be illegal, I guess to much money goes into state and fed coffers.

 

[snowbaby]

smoking is a terrible habit..I know because I smoke. we smokers are social outcasts. I would never smoke while standing on line with other non smokers though. I have been trying to quit for years but its very hard. They now have electric cigarettes (http://greensmoke.com/22216.html) that do not smell at all. Maybe those can be used by smokers when they are out in public with other non smokers. I would never smoke on the lift either. I try to keep my bad habits to myself. I just wish others would keep THEIR bad habits to themselves when they are out there too.

 

[RootDKJ]

smoking is a terrible habit..I know because I smoke. we smokers are social outcasts. I would never smoke while standing on line with other non smokers though. I have been trying to quit for years but its very hard. They now have electric cigarettes (http://greensmoke.com/22216.html) that do not smell at all. Maybe those can be used by smokers when they are out in public with other non smokers. I would never smoke on the lift either. I try to keep my bad habits to myself. I just wish others would keep THEIR bad habits to themselves when they are out there too.

Before I quit, I thought it was nuts that when I needed a smoke, I'd have to go outside when it was raining out, or better yet, drive with my window partially open in the snow. It will be 10 years this April that I last had a cigarette. I don't miss is at all.

We got mil one of those e-cigs for xmas. That's a big step for her to take towards quitting. Its healthier anyway.

GSS has one also. He likes it.

 

[Glenn]

only if you are lucky! ;-)

:lol:

 

[RootDKJ]

Before I quit, I thought it was nuts that when I needed a smoke, I'd have to go outside when it was raining out, or better yet, drive with my window partially open in the snow. It will be 10 years this April that I last had a cigarette. I don't miss is at all.

We got mil one of those e-cigs for xmas. That's a big step for her to take towards quitting. Its healthier anyway.

GSS has one also. He likes it.

Oh kinda hard to figure that one out on a Blackberry

 

[mlctvt]

one other thing always drives me bananas when smoking is discussed as this great social evil. It is a terrible habit, but as a country we are the most obese in the world. The strain all these fat people put on our health care system and in turn our wallets, is far more serious then smokers. 2 out of every 3 americans is overweight or obese. the cost of this bullsh*t is $117 BILLION annually as of the year 2000. The next time some fatass gives me lip for smoking in the corner of the parking lot, i'm going to ask him for a $20 bill to cover my costs for his eating habits.

now go get a diet coke with your 15 bacon cheeseburgers.

Exactly, I ski as a single and I can't stand getting stuffed onto the Mt Snow quad with 3 fat people. It happens alot and it doesn't help that this quad chair was designed and built when Americans were 20-25% smaller.
This pisses me off much more than occasional cigarette smoke.

There should be a fat tax. ;-)

 

[BLESS]

all smoke is bad. If the people who complain about you smoking when your next to the fire...tell them to get away from it....Im quite certain theres smoke coming from those burning logs as well.