Mt snow bluebird

[drjeff]

Weren't their some lift failures at whistler with modern high speed detachables?(this is a question) You're desperate dude to "prove" me wrong.

Those would be 25+ year old Yan high speed quads which were retrofitted across the world DECADES ago after the grip failures. Once again 1970 vs 2014 mustang

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[gmcunni]

How much is the membership? and what does it save you at ct mountains?

depends on the club you join, there are dozens of clubs that are part of the CSC (ct ski council) group. I joined one with no benefits other than discounts, CAST. The cost is $15 for Family membership + $1 per person the first year to cover the card you need. Other clubs have houses or do trips. I'll eventually join a club with a house, probably the one @ Sugarbush. http://www.skiclub.com/Default.aspx?uc=JoinAClub


All clubs that are affiliated with CSC have discount "awareness" days all season long at various mountains - http://www.skiclub.com/documents/AW1314.pdf


They also have "everyday" discounts at a few mountains, Mount Snow being one. http://www.skiclub.com/documents/CSCsedis14.doc
At Mount snow you get the daily group rate. the link in the doc is wrong, go here http://mountsnow.com/groupsales/group-ski-outings

 

[deadheadskier]

Oh and it's not opinion that installing lifts like that increase costs.

Sure it is. Have you ever taken a business class or ran a business? If you have, you wouldn't make such a foolish statement; implying that it's fact not opinion that installing lifts like that increases costs. It also show you have a fundamental lack of understanding (more lack of observation/experience) about the skiing industry.

 

[snoseek]

I've not ridden it but would be pretty stoked to have one of these as a primary lift at my local hill...You spend more time riding lifts than skiing, might as well ride in style. Excessive? Maybe considering money needs to be spent in other places (wildcat). With the kind of dough Mt Snow brings in though they need to be competitive and lift and snowmaking are first and foremost IMO. They do a good job at this.

 

[thetrailboss]

Search is your friend: http://forums.alpinezone.com/showthread.php/104935-Mount-Snow-Opening-Day-12-10-2011-Bluebird-Express

Anyone ridden that thing yet? Seems completely absurd marketing tool to get nyc yuppies. Is the thing even heated inside? Seems completely pointless if it's not heated. And your feet and legs would be exposed anyway if it was heated. I'm sorry, but I like being outside and going up on the chair lift instead of looking through some stupid blue bubble. If it's that cold that I can't handle the cold wind, then I'd rather just ride a gondola and be warm inside. Not something that just blocks winds. Oh and that blue bird thing cost over 8 million dollars! How absurd is that. I have no idea how it's possible to spend that much money on one lift. Of course we all pay for that with eventual lift ticket spikes. I'd be more concerend about chairlift safety than hype like a 6 pack(http://blog.ctnews.com/snowzone/2010/12/29/chair-lift-accident-raises-concerns/) Lucky no one died. No reason a chair lift should ever fall.

Yeah you do, unless you want to fight with 5 other people. lol Doesn't the thing automatically go up and down anyway? It just seems if their going to spend 8 million bucks might as well get a gondola. I still can't get over how much money that is for a lift. What does a standard lift cost?

I was about to say welcome to 2011.

 

[steamboat1]

depends on the club you join, there are dozens of clubs that are part of the CSC (ct ski council) group. I joined one with no benefits other than discounts, CAST. The cost is $15 for Family membership + $1 per person the first year to cover the card you need. Other clubs have houses or do trips. I'll eventually join a club with a house, probably the one @ Sugarbush. http://www.skiclub.com/Default.aspx?uc=JoinAClub

All clubs that are affiliated with CSC have discount "awareness" days all season long at various mountains - http://www.skiclub.com/documents/AW1314.pdf

They also have "everyday" discounts at a few mountains, Mount Snow being one. http://www.skiclub.com/documents/CSCsedis14.doc
At Mount snow you get the daily group rate. the link in the doc is wrong, go here http://mountsnow.com/groupsales/group-ski-outings

CSC is not the only ski council that gets these discounts. I know for a fact that NY (Metropolitan SC), NJ & PA get the same discounts. I'm sure other councils in the northeast are the same. I just skied Stowe Fri. on one of their appreciation days & my club is not a member of CSC. Also all these councils get the same discount ticket coupons that CSC gets, they purchase them together.

 

[Edd]

I've not ridden it but would be pretty stoked to have one of these as a primary lift at my local hill...You spend more time riding lifts than skiing, might as well ride in style. Excessive? Maybe considering money needs to be spent in other places (wildcat). With the kind of dough Mt Snow brings in though they need to be competitive and lift and snowmaking are first and foremost IMO. They do a good job at this.

That just made me fantasize about a bubble lift at Wildcat. Sweeeet.

 

[gmcunni]

CSC is not the only ski council that gets these discounts.

i know, i just live in and belong to the CT club so i only can speak to/reference that one.. snowy lives in CT too.

 

[snoseek]

That just made me fantasize about a bubble lift at Wildcat. Sweeeet.

Makes me nostalgic for the bondo box gondolas! Oh man the horrible things we did in those as teenagers!

 

[Snowlover]

depends on the club you join, there are dozens of clubs that are part of the CSC (ct ski council) group. I joined one with no benefits other than discounts, CAST. The cost is $15 for Family membership + $1 per person the first year to cover the card you need. Other clubs have houses or do trips. I'll eventually join a club with a house, probably the one @ Sugarbush. http://www.skiclub.com/Default.aspx?uc=JoinAClub


All clubs that are affiliated with CSC have discount "awareness" days all season long at various mountains - http://www.skiclub.com/documents/AW1314.pdf


They also have "everyday" discounts at a few mountains, Mount Snow being one. http://www.skiclub.com/documents/CSCsedis14.doc
At Mount snow you get the daily group rate. the link in the doc is wrong, go here http://mountsnow.com/groupsales/group-ski-outings

Thanks. I'm joining one next year.

 

[Tin]

If we.followed your logic Stratton lift tickets would be hundreds of dollars given all their six packs and gondola and Smuggs should.cost about.$20.

 

[deadheadskier]

lol.....
Of course it increases cost. It cost 8 million vs how much for a double? Common sense....if you increase spending(ie lifts/fancy lodge ect) then you have to increase revenue, which is done by increasing lift ticket prices. That's why most hills that don't have super fancy high speed quads/bubbles like magic/berkshire east are MUCH cheaper.

Are you trying to imply there's NO correlation between lift ticket price and how extensive ski area services/lifts/development ect. are? Don't have to be an MBA to understand that.(and a lot of mba's lack common sense sometimes anyway...lol)

Okay, so you do have zero experience in business and haven't observed the ski industry much.

Yes, Mount Snow could raise their ticket prices to cover the cost of their $8M investment in a new lift OR they could keep prices the same and hope that the new amenity attracts more visitors to raise their revenue to cover the cost of the lift. This is basic business 101 knowledge young grasshopper that isn't rooted in fact. It's a choice every business makes when they invest in their product.

Pricing in the ski industry is highly fluid and the goal is always to make as much money as possible; no matter if it's a mom and pop ski area like your beloved Powder Ridge or a major Northeastern resort packed with amenities like Mountain Snow.

Don't believe me? Here's three examples of how capital investment in ski business didn't result in increased ticket prices.

1. Jay Peak. They've invested more money in their product than every ski area in the East over the past decade, save for Stowe. Well North of $100M, which makes the $8M Mountain Snow spent on their chairlift look like pocket change. Jay has lowered their lift ticket prices in recent years. Tickets are $69 a day there, cheaper than just about any major ski area in the east despite all that investment.

2. Vail and their Epic pass. They offered a season pass to several mountains for dirt cheap despite investing 100s of millions of dollars across all their resorts.

3. American Skiing Company - completely crashed the season pass market in the Northeast. Season pass prices today at most major ski resorts are just barely starting to return to their historic highs in the early 2000s.

So, my friend, no, investing $8M in a lift does not always equal increased lift ticket cost. Business 101.

 

[mriceyman]

Well said deadhead

 

[Snowlover]

Okay, so you do have zero experience in business and haven't observed the ski industry much.

Yes, Mount Snow could raise their ticket prices to cover the cost of their $8M investment in a new lift OR they could keep prices the same and hope that the new amenity attracts more visitors to raise their revenue to cover the cost of the lift. This is basic business 101 knowledge young grasshopper that isn't rooted in fact. It's a choice every business makes when they invest in their product.

Pricing in the ski industry is highly fluid and the goal is always to make as much money as possible; not matter if it's a mom and pop ski area like your beloved Powder Ridge or a major Northeastern resort packed with amenities like Mountain Snow.

Don't believe me? Here's three examples of how capital investment in ski business didn't result in increased ticket prices.

1. Jay Peak. They've invested more money in their product than every ski area in the East over the past decade, save for Stowe. Well North of $100M, which makes the $8M Mountain Snow spent on their chairlift look like pocket change. Jay has lowered their lift ticket prices in recent years. Tickets are $69 a day there, cheaper than just about any major ski area in the east despite all that investment.

2. Vail and their Epic pass. They offered a season pass to several mountains for dirt cheap despite investing 100s of millions of dollars across all their resorts.

3. American Skiing Company - completely crashed the season pass market in the Northeast. Season pass prices today at most major ski resorts are just barely starting to return to their historic highs in the early 2000s.

So, my friend, no, investing $8M in a lift does not always equal increased lift ticket cost. Business 101.

There's no such thing anymore as a mom/pop operation. You have to be a multimillionaire.(unless it's a tow rope and I don't even see those anymore)


Jay peak has a distance issue. It's why it's tickets are cheaper. It's also why they try to market it as the alta of the east when it's really not nearly as snowy as they claim

Vail made a tactical decision about people spending money on other stuff while at their resorts.(ie popcorn at movie theaters)

You also have to remember mt snow is expensive to begin with. So they have to do upgrades to remain competitive and be able to continue charging that high shelf price.

LOL...I can't be bothered debating this anymore, but I'll leave you with this " do your really believe there's NO correlation between lift ticket price and how extensive ski area services/lifts/development ect. are?" All you need to do is look at the majority of ski area's and this becomes crystal clear. You took a bad spot in the debate by saying that and are now trying to save face trying to find examples. LOL. just look at the majority. Spending more money = having to charge more. Business 101

 

[skifree]

Okay, so you do have zero experience in business and haven't observed the ski industry much.

Yes, Mount Snow could raise their ticket prices to cover the cost of their $8M investment in a new lift OR they could keep prices the same and hope that the new amenity attracts more visitors to raise their revenue to cover the cost of the lift. This is basic business 101 knowledge young grasshopper that isn't rooted in fact. It's a choice every business makes when they invest in their product.

Pricing in the ski industry is highly fluid and the goal is always to make as much money as possible; no matter if it's a mom and pop ski area like your beloved Powder Ridge or a major Northeastern resort packed with amenities like Mountain Snow.

Don't believe me? Here's three examples of how capital investment in ski business didn't result in increased ticket prices.

1. Jay Peak. They've invested more money in their product than every ski area in the East over the past decade, save for Stowe. Well North of $100M, which makes the $8M Mountain Snow spent on their chairlift look like pocket change. Jay has lowered their lift ticket prices in recent years. Tickets are $69 a day there, cheaper than just about any major ski area in the east despite all that investment.

2. Vail and their Epic pass. They offered a season pass to several mountains for dirt cheap despite investing 100s of millions of dollars across all their resorts.

3. American Skiing Company - completely crashed the season pass market in the Northeast. Season pass prices today at most major ski resorts are just barely starting to return to their historic highs in the early 2000s.

So, my friend, no, investing $8M in a lift does not always equal increased lift ticket cost. Business 101.

That was a nice pass.

 

[ScottySkis]

I heard of Mountain Snow but were this MT snow?

 

[Smellytele]

Stop feeding the troll...

 

[Snowlover]

oh and 70 bucks for a lift ticket is outrageous. That's not what I'd call cheap. Catamount has 20 dollar tickets on monday....30 weekdays. Hell snow ridge charges 18 bucks on weekdays

 

[deadheadskier]

There's no such thing anymore as a mom/pop operation. You have to be a multimillionaire.(unless it's a tow rope and I don't even see those anymore)


Jay peak has a distance issue. It's why it's tickets are cheaper. It's also why they try to market it as the alta of the east when it's really not nearly as snowy as they claim

You do you realize Jay is two hours from one of the larger Metro areas in North America. You do realize they were averaging 300K skier visits before all this investment and now average closer to 400K and dropped their ticket prices.

Vail made a tactical decision about people spending money on other stuff while at their resorts.(ie popcorn at movie theaters)

Oh......so maybe millions in investments in lifts don't equal increased ticket prices. Maybe, just maybe there's more to the ski business than the price of lift tickets.......

Sorry dude. Don't know what to tell you. You said it was fact that investing in lifts raises ticket prices. I factually proved you wrong by providing examples.

I have nothing left to say.....point proven.

 

[Snowlover]

Oh and bromley has 49 buck mid week lift tickets so jay peak is not cheapest at all. What's magic charge? In the 40's right?