Mt snow bluebird

[Snowlover]

You do you realize Jay is two hours from one of the larger Metro areas in North America. You do realize they were averaging 300K skier visits before all this investment and now average closer to 400K and dropped their ticket prices.



Oh......so maybe millions in investments in lifts don't equal increased ticket prices. Maybe, just maybe there's more to the ski business than the price of lift tickets.......

Sorry dude. Don't know what to tell you. You said it was fact that investing in lifts raises ticket prices. I factually proved you wrong by providing examples.

I have nothing left to say.....point proven.

And i provided a few examples proving you wrong! LOL....It's all about "proving me wrong".
There's no comparison money wise between being close to montreal and nyc/boston/ct. Also, the quebecer's can go to mont sain anne and other area's and don't have to cross an international border. Of course some still visit, but there's competeition is my point.

 

[mriceyman]

Jay peak has a distance issue. It's why it's tickets are cheaper. It's also why they try to market it as the alta of the east when it's really not nearly as snowy as they claim

Not nearly as snowy? My uncle lives in jay and its as snowy as they claim. When a resort has its own weather system from the rest of the state and can get 3' in a day then they can claim how snowy it is. Maybe you've just never been there.

 

[deadheadskier]

reading comprehension. no where did I say Jay was the "cheapest"

and comparing their prices to Catamount, Powder Ridge and Bromley makes you look really foolish.

That's like comparing the price of a BMW 7 series with a Scion sedan.

 

[steamboat1]

Jay peak has a distance issue. It's why it's tickets are cheaper. It's also why they try to market it as the alta of the east when it's really not nearly as snowy as they claim

Not if you live in Canada where a majority of their business comes from. Smuggs hasn't installed a new lift in 50 years yet their ticket prices are higher than Jay's.

 

[BenedictGomez]

And lastly, how can you have an opinion if you haven't ridden the damn thing yet?

You're talking about a guy who cant even ski in trees, yet offers advise, opinions, and expertise on tree skiing.

if you are worried about lift failures and safety Magic may not be the place for you.

The lack of knowledge is as comical as it is staggering. lol

1. Jay Peak. They've invested more money in their product than every ski area in the East over the past decade, save for Stowe.

Poor example.

Artificial manipulation of the market ≠ normal free market private practices.

 

[steamboat1]

oh and 70 bucks for a lift ticket is outrageous. That's not what I'd call cheap. Catamount has 20 dollar tickets on monday....30 weekdays. Hell snow ridge charges 18 bucks on weekdays

I'd stick to those places then if price is your only barometer of value. Have fun.

 

[drjeff]

lol.....
Of course it increases cost. It cost 8 million vs how much for a double? Common sense....if you increase spending(ie lifts/fancy lodge ect) then you have to increase revenue, which is done by increasing lift ticket prices. That's why most hills that don't have super fancy high speed quads/bubbles like magic/berkshire east are MUCH cheaper.

Are you seriously advocating a fixed grip double to replace the fixed grip triple that was there before for a major mountain that needed extra base area lift capacity? Let alone a mountain that does 40 or so million in annual revenues???

If anything with the Bluebird you could fault Mount Snow for NOT placing the maximum number of chairs on the haul rope (which would of been about 150) instead of the 102 that they did to both increase capacity in a needed way over the old summit local fixed grip triple (the BB carrys an extra 600 an hour over the local, but could carry another 1200 an hour if they maxed its capacity out) and generate public interest to attract more businesd

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[Snowlover]

Not nearly as snowy? My uncle lives in jay and its as snowy as they claim. When a resort has its own weather system from the rest of the state and can get 3' in a day then they can claim how snowy it is. Maybe you've just never been there.

LOL,......please read and educate yourself: http://forums.alpinezone.com/showth...now/page9?highlight=average+snowfall+tug+hill

I'm not going to repeat the same shit over again. Look at the precip maps/look at radar(which can pick up a thunderstorm so could easily pick up the non-existent jay cloud)

 

[Snowlover]

blah blah....I said my piece. You said yours Going in circles about bluebird.

 

[Savemeasammy]

Isn't this thread about the bluebird express? I'm confused... !


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[mriceyman]

LOL,......please read and educate yourself: http://forums.alpinezone.com/showth...now/page9?highlight=average+snowfall+tug+hill

I'm not going to repeat the same shit over again. Look at the precip maps/look at radar(which can pick up a thunderstorm so could easily pick up the non-existent jay cloud)

Hahaahhaahahaha have you ever been there? Seriously? Do you know anything about the weather? That ignore button is looking better every minute.

 

[drjeff]

In 10+ years of skiing, I've never had a problem, or known anyone too. Could be due to the fact that my first few sets of skis were pretty crappy. I used to lock my skis, but no longer. Be careful where you leave them, i.e. don't prop them along the side of the lodge where someone can grab them on the way out. I try to keep mine amongst many other skis on a rack as far from the base area exits as possible.

As a Mount Snow season passholder who has missed less than 10 weekends of skiing/riding operations since the Bluebird first opened in December of 2011, I can 100% say that it has increased skier visits! Even today I rode it 3 times with people who had never ridden it before and couldn't stop remarking how great a lift it was comfort wise and how cool it was that it opened itself at the summit - I'm guessing that some of them at least tell their friends how great the Bluebird is (and in business word of mouth good publicity is priceless!) and that generates more business for Mount Snow. The desired effect!

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[Snowlover]

Hahaahhaahahaha have you ever been there? Seriously? Do you know anything about the weather? That ignore button is looking better every minute.

Why would I need to be there? In order to tell, I'd have to measure every single storm 24 hours a day like a proper weather station.(as they do at mansfield) You people don't even understand basic climate statistics, which is why these resorts can take advantage of your lack of knowledge.

Then HIT IT baby. What you waiting for?

 

[Snowlover]

As a Mount Snow season passholder who has missed less than 10 weekends of skiing/riding operations since the Bluebird first opened in December of 2011, I can 100% say that it has increased skier visits! Even today I rode it 3 times with people who had never ridden it before and couldn't stop remarking how great a lift it was comfort wise and how cool it was that it opened itself at the summit - I'm guessing that some of them at least tell their friends how great the Bluebird is (and in business word of mouth good publicity is priceless!) and that generates more business for Mount Snow. The desired effect!

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If true, another reason I hate the bluebird. LOL As if mount snow wasn't crowded enough. Just get me to the west and a season pass so i don't have to deal with you people anymroe LOL

SMALLER SKI AREAS THAT SPEND LESS ON FLUFF LIKE BLUEBIRD ARE GENERALLY CHEAPER. OK I HAVE A LIFE. CAN'T DEBATE THIS ANYMORE. LOL

 

[gmcunni]

epic thread

 

[mriceyman]

Why would I need to be there? In order to tell, I'd have to measure every single storm 24 hours a day like a proper weather station. You people don't even understand basic climate statistics, which is why these resorts can take advantage of your lack of knowledge.

Then HIT IT baby. What you waiting for?

If you think precip maps are the end all be all then it shows how little knowledge you have. Honestly you make yourself sound very uneducated and someone that cant be wrong in any situation in any setting.

 

[steamboat1]

Just get me to the west and a season pass so i don't have to deal with you people anymroe LOL

Is that a promise?

 

[BenedictGomez]

have you ever been there? Seriously? Do you know anything about the weather?

Orographic lift is a fraud.

That whole moon landing in 1969 was faked too.

You people don't even understand basic climate statistics, which is why these resorts can take advantage of your lack of knowledge.

Then HIT IT baby. What you waiting for?

((((((((Looks at calendar........wonders how much long this experiment continues)))))

 

[Snowlover]

Orographic lift is a fraud.

That whole moon landing in 1969 was faked too.




((((((((Looks at calendar........wonders how much long this experiment continues)))))

Orographic lift/upslope happens across all the spine of the green mountains. Most of it happens over the Mansfield area as can clearly be seen in precip map. There's no maximum near jay. The longer the ridge line compared to a solo peak where air can go around, the more air is forced upward, which is why a platuea like tug hill is so effective.(lake effect added on maximisez the effect WAY more) The microclimate jay claims is the same exact one basically across the entire northern greens. Nothing special and if you watch the radar you'll see.

 

[mriceyman]

Orographic lift/upslope happens across all the spine of the green mountains. Most of it happens over the Mansfield area as can clearly be seen in precip map.

Back to those precip maps. Every post you make shows your stupidity more and more. And back to being a radar junky.