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  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by VTKilarney View Post
    It's as simple as this. Their traditional market never responded enough for the resort to break even. If the resort is going to succeed, they need to change things up.
    I was always under the impression that winter operations at the Balsams were more about giving the culinary school some year round "practice" vs. a money making operation, since the reality is given the geographic isolation of The Balsams and the host of other areas that people from large population areas have to drive by to get there that the Balsams won't be a destination resort for the masses anytime soon!

    Can the Balsams THRIVE as an expansion of their existing summer base, a base population that my extended family was in the past a part of? I bet that it could work! This is a concept that we need to think more than just winter operations but year round operations

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    Found this on a website with ski area history and expansion.
    http://www.newenglandskihistory.com/...p#dixvillepeak

  3. #63
    For the Balsams to thrive, it needs to be a world class resort that happens to have skiing, rather than a destination ski resort with a world class hotel. To be honest, I think the thing that makes the most financial sense would be a casino. It keeps getting shot down, and now they're not even looking to put one in the North Country anymore, but I think a high end casino would easily support all the other operations of the resort.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by St. Bear View Post
    For the Balsams to thrive, it needs to be a world class resort that happens to have skiing, rather than a destination ski resort with a world class hotel. To be honest, I think the thing that makes the most financial sense would be a casino. It keeps getting shot down, and now they're not even looking to put one in the North Country anymore, but I think a high end casino would easily support all the other operations of the resort.
    Agree! It's already got a LEGIT golf course with some incredible views, which can, and has drive business during non ski months. What it really needs, even though it goes against the model of what it was, was some technology upgrades to reflect modern needs/demands. As much as it may be a statement of the modern family and it's communication abilities, you've got to have hotel rooms with TV's in them, and wifi is a must. I think in one sense you need to see what/how Omni Resorts has re-made the Mount Washington Hotel. It still has the grandeur of it's past, but with enough modern ammenities (or maybe even in this day and age necesseties) to attract business conventions as well as "modern" iPad addicted families who once there find out that it's actually quite easy and enjoyable to turn off the electronic devices for a bit and enjoy the incredible White Mountains! And please don't take my last statement as one where I equate the skiing at Brettonwoods with the skiing at the Balsams. Golf course wise they are pretty darn close in caliber, but skiing wise, BW is in a far greater league that it's neighbor to the North!
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    The Balsams first opened in 1860 & the hotel expanded to it's present size in 1918. Skiing didn't become a part of the Balsams resort until 1966.

  6. #66
    I'd hazard to guess that the rise of the automobile was a huge factor in the resort's troubles. For as remote as the resort is, there is a train line to Colebrook that must have brought lots of guests back in the day.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by VTKilarney View Post
    I also think that Jackson Hole is just a little bit better of a mountain. Just a little... It's also got a pretentious village, which is not quite the same as Colebrook. Trust me on that one.
    The mountain only drives about 10% of total valley visitors believe it or not, obviously that's primarily in the winter. Jackson was always an outpost for the wealthy, for a myriad of different reasons, skiing only being a small slice. Most rich folk aren't crushing first trams and hiking Cody Peak. While obviously not on par with Jhole terrain wise, its the whole package. The primary reason JHole is a rich guy place isn't the resort, its a low tax liability state. People park money here, their business associates travel here for meetings (Bernanke and all his boys come out to Jackson every summer - something they used to all do in Northern New Hampshire - Bretton Woods conference anyone?), word gets out. You guys are looking at this as just revolving around the ski area, when in reality that's just an amenity, no more so than phones next to shitters and a decent concierge. Rich guys do like exclusivity, something Northern New Hampshire has much in common with Wyoming.
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    30 miles away in Milan, NH there is an airport with a 5000' runway capable of landing small business jets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by uphillklimber View Post
    I read that they are hoping for a reduction in the setbacks for a wind turbine farm up there from 1300 feet to 500 feet. I live near a wind farm, and I have no visual objections to them, in fact, I smile when I see them turning and producing "free" power. There are two areas of concern however. First is when those turbines start turning on those cold mornings and throw off some ice chunks, it ain't gonna be pretty. Second is the reality abut the noise they produce. Downwind, they make quite a noise, similar to any household fan, only much louder and penetrating. Basically, it sounds like a train passing by over the hill a short distance away. Only, the train never goes by, it just stays there all day.
    Bolton Valley has a wind turbine located pretty close to one of their lifts.

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    So does Burke (exact same model as Bolton). However both of those are small/medium size turbines that are only 150' tall. The ones one the ridge line above the Balsams are 3-4 times that size and can throw larger chucks of ice further.

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