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  1. #11
    Quote Originally Posted by from_the_NEK View Post
    The new lodge
    Qlodge?
    Qmidlodge?
    Qmidburke?



    Qquad?

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  2. #12
    Quote Originally Posted by VTKilarney View Post
    Getting from the Sherburne Express to the Mid-Burke chair is maddening. What makes it so annoying is that it seems as if they could bring in a bulldozer and make it painless without having to move too much earth. The problem, however, is that the snowmaking pond is smack dab in the middle of the easiest route between the two chairs. So it may be that there is no way to fix the problem. Nonetheless, I really hope they figure something out.
    At this point there really isn't much they can do. Unfortunately, when they replaced the old lower mountain double with the Sherburne HSQ, they moved the terminal down 150' (horizontal) and 30-35' (vertical). This was still a fine location for getting to the Willoughby Quad. Additionally, they even "improved" the connection by cutting the Midway trail. However, that small move downhill from the old double location ended up being short sighted.

    When the plans for the new Mid Burke Express came out, it was obvious the traverse between lifts was going to be a pain. They did blast out the small hill that was between the Mid Burke Lodge and the snowmaking pond. Additionally, they added fill between the Willoughby quad and the where that hill used to be to eliminate the small sag that was there. Technically, there is a 1% grade between the Willoughby quad and the MBE.

    I’ve found the best way to connect the two lifts is to take that little path through the trees onto Lower Willoughby rather than taking Midway. The way Midway wraps around, you can’t carry much speed and you have to keep an eye uphill as you merge with Lower Willoughby. By cutting through the trees, you preserve a lot of vertical and you can get better speed going into the flat traverse. Whatever you do just go straight (no turning) on that last pitch of Lower Willoughby. I can make it all the way to the MBE this way under fast snow conditions without poling. Most of the time, I still end up skating 20-30 yards, but that is better than 200 yards.

  3. #13
    Quote Originally Posted by VTKilarney View Post
    Also, the Dippers weren't so hot once they opened them back up. The race left a difficult combination of corn snow and hard pack. I shed a couple of tears when I saw how much salt was poured onto the snow. I know that it's good for the racers, but just the thought of putting any kind of melting agent onto a perfectly good trail sent shivers down my spine.
    Race programs in the spring seems counter intuitive due to the salt for refreeze for sure! I would have liked to ski that trail but was not the case this weekend! Too bad about difficult combination of corn snow and hard pack - it is generally a great cruising run with opportunities to catch a little air where Deer Run crosses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by from_the_NEK View Post
    At this point there really isn't much they can do. Unfortunately, when they replaced the old lower mountain double with the Sherburne HSQ, they moved the terminal down 150' (horizontal) and 30-35' (vertical). This was still a fine location for getting to the Willoughby Quad. Additionally, they even "improved" the connection by cutting the Midway trail. However, that small move downhill from the old double location ended up being short sighted.

    When the plans for the new Mid Burke Express came out, it was obvious the traverse between lifts was going to be a pain. They did blast out the small hill that was between the Mid Burke Lodge and the snowmaking pond. Additionally, they added fill between the Willoughby quad and the where that hill used to be to eliminate the small sag that was there. Technically, there is a 1% grade between the Willoughby quad and the MBE.

    I’ve found the best way to connect the two lifts is to take that little path through the trees onto Lower Willoughby rather than taking Midway. The way Midway wraps around, you can’t carry much speed and you have to keep an eye uphill as you merge with Lower Willoughby. By cutting through the trees, you preserve a lot of vertical and you can get better speed going into the flat traverse. Whatever you do just go straight (no turning) on that last pitch of Lower Willoughby. I can make it all the way to the MBE this way under fast snow conditions without poling. Most of the time, I still end up skating 20-30 yards, but that is better than 200 yards.
    Ginn anticipated putting the new HSQ right where the Willoughby Quad was...or something like that.

    I watched them in 2011 excavate that portion of the base area. Trying to even get it close to flat was a tall order.
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  5. #15
    It's a catch-22. If the Mid-Burke HSQ was put where the Willoughby quad was located, you would still have those nasty runouts from the east side. It's also easier to get to the East Bowl from the location of the new HSQ.

    What's so frustrating with the connection between the Sherburne Express and the Mid-Burke HSQ is that they are so close to being an easy connection. If that snowmaking pond was not there it would be no big deal. If Burke wants to make the Sherburne lodge the main lodge, the really need to figure something better out.

    I also take the path through the trees, and it's usually not too bad - but in spring conditions the problem stuck out like a sore thumb.

    My other pet peeve are the people (including racers) who leave their skis lying on the ground in front of the Mid Burke lodge. To avoid skating from the trails on the east side of the mountain, you need to cut as close to the lodge as possible. I don't get wound up if skis are left on the ground in an out of the way place, but to put them smack dab in the middle of where people want to ski is a jerk move. A couple of times this week I had to make a left turn around those skis before the right turn to the Mid-Burke HSQ.

    As nostalgic as people are for the Mid-Burke Lodge, I have a feeling that if it was removed they could make much better connections from the east side trails to the Mid-Burke HSQ. I also wish that they dug down a little bit when putting in the base of the Mid-Burke HSQ. A few more feet lower would have made a lot of difference.

    What Burke really needs, IMHO, is a lift servicing the east side. It's hard to justify when there are no lines for the existing lifts, but as someone who likes to ski the East Bowl trail, I would love to see something over on that side of the mountain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTKilarney View Post
    My other pet peeve are the people (including racers) who leave their skis lying on the ground in front of the Mid Burke lodge. To avoid skating from the trails on the east side of the mountain, you need to cut as close to the lodge as possible. I don't get wound up if skis are left on the ground in an out of the way place, but to put them smack dab in the middle of where people want to ski is a jerk move. A couple of times this week I had to make a left turn around those skis before the right turn to the Mid-Burke HSQ.
    Whoa boy this sounds like another thread we had a few weeks ago!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VTKilarney View Post

    My other pet peeve are the people (including racers) who leave their skis lying on the ground in front of the Mid Burke lodge. To avoid skating from the trails on the east side of the mountain, you need to cut as close to the lodge as possible. I don't get wound up if skis are left on the ground in an out of the way place, but to put them smack dab in the middle of where people want to ski is a jerk move. A couple of times this week I had to make a left turn around those skis before the right turn to the Mid-Burke HSQ.
    I agree in this case about the skis all over! This is an example where skiing around it almost causes enough speed loss that you have to skate past them. They were definitely in the way! Should have taken a picture for the other thread about this!

    Quote Originally Posted by VTKilarney View Post
    As nostalgic as people are for the Mid-Burke Lodge, I have a feeling that if it was removed they could make much better connections from the east side trails to the Mid-Burke HSQ. I also wish that they dug down a little bit when putting in the base of the Mid-Burke HSQ. A few more feet lower would have made a lot of difference.
    Then again with the building gone the line becomes very easy from East Bowl for sure!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrailboss View Post
    Whoa boy this sounds like another thread we had a few weeks ago!
    Yup!
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    Quote Originally Posted by thetrailboss View Post
    Whoa boy this sounds like another thread we had a few weeks ago!
    I actually don't mind skis being left on the ground. I only mind when they block something or create a longer path for somebody. If there was order to how they were laid down, I'd have no problem at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by from_the_NEK View Post
    At this point there really isn't much they can do. Unfortunately, when they replaced the old lower mountain double with the Sherburne HSQ, they moved the terminal down 150' (horizontal) and 30-35' (vertical). This was still a fine location for getting to the Willoughby Quad. Additionally, they even "improved" the connection by cutting the Midway trail. However, that small move downhill from the old double location ended up being short sighted.

    When the plans for the new Mid Burke Express came out, it was obvious the traverse between lifts was going to be a pain. They did blast out the small hill that was between the Mid Burke Lodge and the snowmaking pond. Additionally, they added fill between the Willoughby quad and the where that hill used to be to eliminate the small sag that was there. Technically, there is a 1% grade between the Willoughby quad and the MBE.

    I’ve found the best way to connect the two lifts is to take that little path through the trees onto Lower Willoughby rather than taking Midway. The way Midway wraps around, you can’t carry much speed and you have to keep an eye uphill as you merge with Lower Willoughby. By cutting through the trees, you preserve a lot of vertical and you can get better speed going into the flat traverse. Whatever you do just go straight (no turning) on that last pitch of Lower Willoughby. I can make it all the way to the MBE this way under fast snow conditions without poling. Most of the time, I still end up skating 20-30 yards, but that is better than 200 yards.
    they can't do much, but they are suppose to improve the grade a little this summer, but agree that the best way is to cut through the trees and get as much speed you can off of lower willoughby.

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