That is one nasty sound in the vid. At loon on sat patrol was coming through the flats by the Gondi at Mach one dragging a sled and almost knocking people down. The bag was pulled all the way over the skiers face but as they went by I and a dude next to me both got a look at his face as you could see into the open end. We both said "I think he's dead" at the same time. Minute or so later another sled came by at a normal pace with another guy in it. He had a huge bandage on his forehead. I've googled stuff today but thankfully no reported death at loon. Scared the crap out of me though, seeing that guys face
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Another Skier Death/Sugarbush
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Is that Smuggs?
billski
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All I can tell is that it's an old (aren't they all?) double chair, not many hills around it, and a modest vertical. I suppose you could go to skilifts.org and ID the manufacturer and what resorts have them.
drjeff
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BenedictGomez
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Doesnt look like Smuggs to me. Cant think of anything @ Smuggs under a lift that is that long, dead poker-straight and relatively flat. Plus I cant think of a spot where you can look around somewhat panoramic and not see much in terms of other mountains around you (looked fairly wide open etc..).
RISkier
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We skied Cannon on Saturday. I say skied, skidded would be a better descriptor. Except where they were blowing snow everything we sampled ranged from Eastern boilerplate to read the newspaper through the blue ice. Easiest way to ski it is to just point them and go really fast but if you fall there's the potential for it to end ugly. I'm an old guy and just won't do that. Really didn't feel very safe. They were blowing on Rocket (I think, I don't know Cannon that well) and you could still find ice under the blown snow. Not blaming Cannon, they seem to be really aggressive about blowing snow. But the rain last week coupled with the lack of natural snow has created some fairly dangerous conditions. We saw patrol working on an injured rider. We left before noon and an ambulance was pulling up as we were walking out. My guess is that there are considerably more injuries when conditions are as they are.
jaja111
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1) I couldn't find any clues other than what's in the vid that indicated where, or even when that happened. All I know is that it was just posted and then featured.
2) Liveleak comments; while the channel may have the latest vids and news posted raw, the commenters / community are a true collection of the flotsam, jetsom, bilge waste, and sewage of the internet trolling world. Liveleak is an offshoot of the old Ogrish site which showed nothing but violent and shocking vids. I find the only real value it has is that it posts first usually. Plane crash? See it instantly on LL. Riots in Iran? See it instantly on LL. Cruiseship sinks? See it instantly on LL. It is never worth opening the comments as it doesn't take a genius to know what the comments already are. No info available in comments, ever.
2) Liveleak comments; while the channel may have the latest vids and news posted raw, the commenters / community are a true collection of the flotsam, jetsom, bilge waste, and sewage of the internet trolling world. Liveleak is an offshoot of the old Ogrish site which showed nothing but violent and shocking vids. I find the only real value it has is that it posts first usually. Plane crash? See it instantly on LL. Riots in Iran? See it instantly on LL. Cruiseship sinks? See it instantly on LL. It is never worth opening the comments as it doesn't take a genius to know what the comments already are. No info available in comments, ever.
jaja111
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I skied Bristol Superbowl nite and it was a ghost town. I lapped runs having waited in a lift line 1 time and that was for the lifty raking the load area and I was the line. However in the 4 hours I was there two ambulances arrived and left, lights and sirens ablaze. Two patrollers stated to me it was one of the most difficult seasons they've seen for injuries due to the difficulties of conditions - some sand dumped on steel.
drjeff
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Don't know if its even just inexperienced skiers/riders going too fast. With conditons this year being more than ever flat and fast, it seems anectdotally to me that the average speeds are up all over the mountain (when you've got machined groomed man made/hardpack conditions as the "norm" for much of ski country this year, that's not really a surface too condusive for regular bump formation that tends to act as a natural speed deterent, then that granular from all the thaw/freeze/machine grooming cycles can really make the edges get an extra deep layer of granular as the day goes on before it gets regroomed out that night). A few extra (or in somecase this year 10+ extra MPH) along the side of a trail with a deep granular layer and not as much of the typical side of trail snowbank heights that we usually see this time of year is just a recipe for disaster, no matter what one's ability is, if and when an accident happens.
billski
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While I don't consider myself a "great" skier by any measure, I generally feel comfortable and safe going down most any slope. Not necessarily with style or grace, but safely and generally in control.
However, with this year's conditions, I need to get much better at carving in these condition. This might be accomplished by having better judgement on where to carve, when not to carve and when to check one's speed. So, I'm dead set serious about getting a private lesson in the next week or so.
I have a sense it's more about good judgement and one's own strength to power through challenging terrain in control. Reminds me of beginners so concerned about checking their speed when ice is encountered, they try to stop on the ice.
I'm putting my money where my mouth is, getting some critique and suggestions for improvement.
However, with this year's conditions, I need to get much better at carving in these condition. This might be accomplished by having better judgement on where to carve, when not to carve and when to check one's speed. So, I'm dead set serious about getting a private lesson in the next week or so.
I have a sense it's more about good judgement and one's own strength to power through challenging terrain in control. Reminds me of beginners so concerned about checking their speed when ice is encountered, they try to stop on the ice.
I'm putting my money where my mouth is, getting some critique and suggestions for improvement.
drjeff
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Good thought processes there Billski!
I know that this year more so than before (and maybe it's just to set a good example when skiing with my kids), that I feel like when I get into a situation where the basic choices are to either speed up to make a tight pass or slow down by either just throwing the skis sideways and/or making a few speed dump style turns, that i'm choosing to slow down and then proceed again a few seconds later when things might not be looking as potentially troublesome
from_the_NEK
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Traillboss is correct, that video is definitley the Madonna Double at Smuggs. The beginning of that lift line (where this vid was taken) starts out at a low angle and slowly gains steepness. The clouds around the mountain in the video make it hard to see the upper/steeper part of the lift line. When the guy taking video looks backward, you can see the trail "Midway" that comes over from the Morse Mtn side of the resort.
I have not heard of any fatalities at Smuggs recently. So I'm guessing that person in the video survived.
I have not heard of any fatalities at Smuggs recently. So I'm guessing that person in the video survived.
SIKSKIER
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BINGO Billski.This is exactly how you ski icy conditions.Look at upcoming potential turning spots and readjust where and how hard to turn.A huge part of being a great eastern skier is feeling that ski starting to slip on that ice and knowing to release a little till you reach the better snow or setting it harder if its edgeable.When you see a skier going through conditions looking unphased that you think are terrible,understand he/she is doing exactly what I'm describing.Its definately a huge feather in your cap when you can feel those subtle changes and react accordingly.
I only thought that it was Smuggs because it was a Hall Double and the liftline looked like the lower part of Madonna.
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A very sad year. I just even had this discussion with my 12-year old on speed checks (he's very in control, but I've asked him to step it down a notch). Our prayers go out to the families involved.
Here's a link from the NSAA and a paragraph.
http://www.nsaa.org/nsaa/press/facts-ski-snbd-safety.asp
Fatalities - According to the National Ski Areas Association (NSAA): During the past 10 years, about 40.6 people have died skiing/snowboarding per year on average. During the 2009/10 season, 38 fatalities occurred out of the 59.8 million skier/snowboarder days reported for the season. Twenty-five of the fatalities were skiers (18 male, 7 female) and 13 of the fatalities were snowboarders, (12 male, 1 female). Among the fatalities, 19 of those involved were reported as wearing a helmet at the time of the incident. The rate of fatality converts to .64 per million skier/snowboarder visits.
Here's a link from the NSAA and a paragraph.
http://www.nsaa.org/nsaa/press/facts-ski-snbd-safety.asp
Fatalities - According to the National Ski Areas Association (NSAA): During the past 10 years, about 40.6 people have died skiing/snowboarding per year on average. During the 2009/10 season, 38 fatalities occurred out of the 59.8 million skier/snowboarder days reported for the season. Twenty-five of the fatalities were skiers (18 male, 7 female) and 13 of the fatalities were snowboarders, (12 male, 1 female). Among the fatalities, 19 of those involved were reported as wearing a helmet at the time of the incident. The rate of fatality converts to .64 per million skier/snowboarder visits.
jaja111
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This is the theme of the whole season. We'll all be better skiers / boarders by the end of it utilizing what billski has said. Every time I have skied this season and someone has asked "how was it?" I reply with "it was like a game of chess!?!"
Seems last year's equipment utilization was 90% ski and 10% brain. This year is 90% brain and 10% ski.
billski
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billski
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The skier who died Saturday morning after striking a tree on the side of a trail at Sugarbush Resort in Warren was wearing a helmet at the time of the accident, according to a death certificate prepared by the state Medical Examiner’s Office.
James L. Wong, 41, a Bank of America vice president from Lexington, Mass., was skiing on a steeper section of Sleeper Run, a mostly intermediate trail, at about 11 a.m. Saturday when he apparently lost control and struck a tree. He was visiting the resort with his wife and two young children at the time.
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James L. Wong, 41, a Bank of America vice president from Lexington, Mass., was skiing on a steeper section of Sleeper Run, a mostly intermediate trail, at about 11 a.m. Saturday when he apparently lost control and struck a tree. He was visiting the resort with his wife and two young children at the time.
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