RENO
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Dude.... I KNOW!!!!! What the hell is wrong with you people... really....
I DO NOT WANT BELLEAYRE TO CLOSE
I can't believe you want Belleayre to close! What's wrong with you!
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Dude.... I KNOW!!!!! What the hell is wrong with you people... really....
I DO NOT WANT BELLEAYRE TO CLOSE
ok so i have put a bunch of thought into this.
1. in order for windam/hunter to make any sort of claims they need to disclose their numbers.
2 bell's numbers need to be disclosed.
3. all of what i have scene is complete conjecture.
4. if bellaerye closes. it will for a fact bring some sort of economic damage to the area.
5. if bellaerye closes the people that make the trip from NJ and PA will stay at there local mountains or those that have the money will just go north.
6. it hate seeing things like this played out in the court of public opinion. there is not enough raw data to suport any side. which is one of the reasons hunter windam hired lobbists. facts, facts facts,
There are tons of facts surrounding this...
http://www.nytaxpayers4equality.org/facts_inherent_savings.html
http://coalitiontosavebelleayre.org/whats-new.php
http://www.taxfoundation.org/press/show/1369.html
http://www.greencatskills.com/belleayre-mountains-unfair-advantage
http://www.wickedlocal.com/mpnnow/towns/bristol/x170774947
http://www.dailyfreeman.com/site/index.cfm?BRD=1769&PAG=461&dept_id=74969&newsid=19435235&rfi=8
those are all put out by interested parties. i talking actual financials. which is going to hard since windam and hunter are privatly held.
those are all put out by interested parties. i talking actual financials. which is going to hard since windam and hunter are privatly held.
Again, if fare comparisons were going to be made, then belleayre would have multimillion dollar lodges...they dont.... world class snowmaking....they dont....nicer lifts...(minus superchief)... they dont. they barely have anything that rivals the other two, as shown in their attendance numbers. So its responsible to expect them to compete on price. If all the things listed above were equal then I would say its completely unfair having belleayre subsidized. But they arent, they are a state run facility that provides a good atomosphere for everyone to enjoy and I if I have to piss my tax dollars away on something then let it be that than all the other waste new york passes out.
I want to say just quick, that I do not support the Belleayre Resort project. THAT would be truly unfair
Bellearye has 2 quads... Just like Hunter...
Hunter has an old outdated lodge... Like Belleayre..
But whats not equal is operation costs that are subsidized by NYS...
i know that you have access to more info than i do.
is there any hunter or windam financial info that has been released to the public? i would imagine it pretty easy to get ahold of bells info. i would love to do a side by side comparision. then factor in the breaks that bell gets.
is there any hunter or windam financial info that has been released to the public? i would imagine it pretty easy to get ahold of bells info. i would love to do a side by side comparision. then factor in the breaks that bell gets.
No I just live there..
And know how to use google..
All good points. Hunter and Windham have yet to release any data. We don't even know year to year Hunter and Windham skier visits. For all we know, Hunter and Windham skier visits have doubled.Ok I keep seeing these articles complaining about Belleayre blowing snow late in the season and how irresponsible that is. I agree, normal logic says it stupid, but consider that throughout the season belleayre is probably capable at best of blowing 50% the amount of snow that Hunter/Windam can blow. I back this up by noting that even on the best of nights/days for snowmaking Belleayre will only have at 40-50% of the trails under snowmaking ability, while Hunter and Windham have a good 70-80%(conservatively) of their mountains being dumped on (a point which they like to boast on their websites). So all said Belleayre's budget wasted on snowmaking cant even to compare to the other two... and in a way they suffer for it... but that allows them to dump alittle later... and potenitally close alittle later...giving them something that might drive customers to them.
Again, if fare comparisons were going to be made, then belleayre would have multimillion dollar lodges...they dont.... world class snowmaking....they dont....nicer lifts...(minus superchief)... they dont. they barely have anything that rivals the other two, as shown in their attendance numbers. So its responsible to expect them to compete on price. If all the things listed above were equal then I would say its completely unfair having belleayre subsidized. But they arent, they are a state run facility that provides a good atomosphere for everyone to enjoy and I if I have to piss my tax dollars away on something then let it be that than all the other waste new york passes out.
Given no change in trail acreage, how many more weekend skier visits could Hunter and Windham truly increase? 10 percent at best. I mean how many can you pack in there with a shoe horn on weekends. Its not like Belleayre gets a huge midweek crowd that would hurt Hunter and Windham.
Look lets be honest. This is all about real estate sales and nothing to do with a state run ski area selling ski tickets. Give me a break. Whatever the Greene county real estate investors paid those lobbyists, they earned every penny.
Aren't corporate tax returns public domain?