Bode"Bar Hopping" Miller international joke

[dmc]

. If Miller screws up by his own behavior and suffers financial consequences----I could care less. He's his own worst enemy

Or his own best friend... Depends on how you look at it...

 

[ctenidae]

One wonders if skiing hungover and performing surgery hungover are really anywhere near the same thing, Kooch. I have to think they're not all that close.

People don't like Bode. Great. No problem. I do. And as long as he meets the qualifying times needed to be on the Olympic team, he should go. Period.

/would love to share a pint with him.

 

[dmc]

One wonders if skiing hungover and performing surgery hungover are really anywhere near the same thing, Kooch. I have to think they're not all that close.

People don't like Bode. Great. No problem. I do. And as long as he meets the qualifying times needed to be on the Olympic team, he should go. Period.

/would love to share a pint with him.

word...

 

[Kooch]

On Bode and his supporters on this site...dmc, glad to hear you do well in your business(but I wasn't askin). Skiing, you are right, is not that important. But skiing in the olympics is. Nearly everyone who has ever participated in sport at a high competitive level would likely disagree with you, but I am confident you can deal with that. Probably not the first time you're wrong. By the way, I may be mad, but I'm not angry at your boyfriend. Just don't like punks no matter how much talent they're born with latching onto the "I didn't really care anyway" copout when they realize their half-ass efforts brought them just what they deserved. Its unfortunate that you don't see the real issue here is character...just a simple matter of putting up and shutting up and getting the job done in the best way possible without resorting to excuses. And that includes building into the circumstances a convenient way out. We do agree on one aspect though...there is some blame to be placed on those who selected him. Those of you who agree with my position will perhaps join me in letting our national olympic committee know how we feel.

 

[billski]

Since the USOOC took the word "amateur" out of its charter, these top folks are being showered with all kinds of goodies. For some, like Miller, it's going to their heads. Kinda feels like the off season Major League Baseball contract negotiations. Those athletes who choose to take advantage of the system and develop a prima-dona attitude hurt the sport and will ultimately cause changes in how our US athletes are selected, no doubt.

 

[dmc]

On Bode and his supporters on this site...dmc, glad to hear you do well in your business(but I wasn't askin). Skiing, you are right, is not that important. But skiing in the olympics is. Nearly everyone who has ever participated in sport at a high competitive level would likely disagree with you, but I am confident you can deal with that. Probably not the first time you're wrong. By the way, I may be mad, but I'm not angry at your boyfriend. Just don't like punks no matter how much talent they're born with latching onto the "I didn't really care anyway" copout when they realize their half-ass efforts brought them just what they deserved. Its unfortunate that you don't see the real issue here is character...just a simple matter of putting up and shutting up and getting the job done in the best way possible without resorting to excuses. And that includes building into the circumstances a convenient way out. We do agree on one aspect though...there is some blame to be placed on those who selected him. Those of you who agree with my position will perhaps join me in letting our national olympic committee know how we feel.

Bodie is as Bodie does...
In this world of ultra-high priced tickets, ski real estate, and people screaming about the responsibility code to protect them, seeded bumbs - He's a free spirit... Something that I see lacking in skiing lately.. I like the mans character... It's about fun and thrills.. Which is what skiing is to a lot of people...


btw: you did say
"You who support his kind of attitude... I hope you do better in what you do in your own lives. We need people to take their job's seriously. Party when time permits. Otherwise take a job that doesn't require any real effort or attention to detail. And get paid accordingly."

You asked if we do better in our own lives and take our jobs seriosuly...

 

[ski_adk]

My feelings on Bode

I've posted this response in a couple places now, so, if you've read this before, I apologize.

As long as the US Olympic teams are chosen through a series of tryouts and qualifiers, keeping Bode off the team isn't going to happen.

On another note, if there's any lesson to be learned here is that our athletes are people too. Bode is a backwoods rebel from NH. He's always been that way and last year, that really paid off for him. Why is it that when he was winning, that we Americans were able to celebrate his brash and often-times wreckless ways and now when it comes to the Olympics, we now turn a complete 180 and rip him apart for it. It's all bullshiat. I'm proud of Bode. He's done more for the U.S. ski team than anyone I can remember off hand. He walks his own line, lives his own life and oh yeah, he's a ski racer by trade. If anything, he's proven a very important lesson in life...that regardless of what you are doing, where or who you're doing it for, be yourself. Live your own life and say f*ck you to anyone who dares to question it. Afterall, isn't that the true and real American tradition?

The 1980 US hockey team is known for its Miracle on Ice. At that time, there were different expectations from the fans. In 2006, we no longer hope our athletes win, rather, we expect it. We have become that evil, robotic big red machine devoid of all traditional forms of American substance. We now expect our athletes to be lifeless, politically correct, bland single-minded sociopaths bent only on "success", even if it's at the expense of individuality, character and personality.

Don't blame Bode for failure, blame the media for overhyping him. Blame yourself for expecting. And most of all, look at your own Monday-morning quarterbacking because if you know so damned much...then go out and do it yourself. Quit living so vicariously through those who "can" for reasons that you simply can't.

*edited to fix awkward grammar in last sentence*

 

[dmc]

Quit living so vicariously through those who "can" simply because you simply can't.

I bet Bodi gets more "tail" then all of us combined...

 

[Paul]

I've posted this response in a couple places now, so, if you've read this before, I apologize.

As long as the US Olympic teams are chosen through a series of tryouts and qualifiers, keeping Bode off the team isn't going to happen.

On another note, if there's any lesson to be learned here is that our athletes are people too. Bode is a backwoods rebel from NH. He's always been that way and last year, that really paid off for him. Why is it that when he was winning, that we Americans were able to celebrate his brash and often-times wreckless ways and now when it comes to the Olympics, we now turn a complete 180 and rip him apart for it. It's all bullshiat. I'm proud of Bode. He's done more for the U.S. ski team than anyone I can remember off hand. He walks his own line, lives his own life and oh yeah, he's a ski racer by trade. If anything, he's proven a very important lesson in life...that regardless of what you are doing, where or who you're doing it for, be yourself. Live your own life and say f*ck you to anyone who dares to question it. Afterall, isn't that the true and real American tradition?

The 1980 US hockey team is known for its Miracle on Ice. At that time, there were different expectations from the fans. In 2006, we no longer hope our athletes win, rather, we expect it. We have become that evil, robotic big red machine devoid of all traditional forms of American substance. We now expect our athletes to be lifeless, politically correct, bland single-minded sociopaths bent only on "success", even if it's at the expense of individuality, character and personality.

Don't blame Bode for failure, blame the media for overhyping him. Blame yourself for expecting. And most of all, look at your own Monday-morning quarterbacking because if you know so damned much...then go out and do it yourself. Quit living so vicariously through those who "can" for reasons that you simply can't.

*edited to fix awkward grammar in last sentence*

Quality post.

I was recently thinking about the whole "Miracle on Ice" Its really amazing how we've become what we were so afraid of.

 

[YardSaleDad]

Live your own life and say f*ck you to anyone who dares to question it. Afterall, isn't that the true and real American tradition?

Depends on your viewpoint. Is the true American character epitomized by John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart?

 

[Marc]

Depends on your viewpoint. Is the true American character epitomized by John Wayne or Jimmy Stewart?

Clint Eastwood.

 

[billski]

Clint Eastwood.

CE on skis? I'm outta here!

 

[JimG.]

I've posted this response in a couple places now, so, if you've read this before, I apologize.

As long as the US Olympic teams are chosen through a series of tryouts and qualifiers, keeping Bode off the team isn't going to happen.

On another note, if there's any lesson to be learned here is that our athletes are people too. Bode is a backwoods rebel from NH. He's always been that way and last year, that really paid off for him. Why is it that when he was winning, that we Americans were able to celebrate his brash and often-times wreckless ways and now when it comes to the Olympics, we now turn a complete 180 and rip him apart for it. It's all bullshiat. I'm proud of Bode. He's done more for the U.S. ski team than anyone I can remember off hand. He walks his own line, lives his own life and oh yeah, he's a ski racer by trade. If anything, he's proven a very important lesson in life...that regardless of what you are doing, where or who you're doing it for, be yourself. Live your own life and say f*ck you to anyone who dares to question it. Afterall, isn't that the true and real American tradition?

The 1980 US hockey team is known for its Miracle on Ice. At that time, there were different expectations from the fans. In 2006, we no longer hope our athletes win, rather, we expect it. We have become that evil, robotic big red machine devoid of all traditional forms of American substance. We now expect our athletes to be lifeless, politically correct, bland single-minded sociopaths bent only on "success", even if it's at the expense of individuality, character and personality.

Don't blame Bode for failure, blame the media for overhyping him. Blame yourself for expecting. And most of all, look at your own Monday-morning quarterbacking because if you know so damned much...then go out and do it yourself. Quit living so vicariously through those who "can" for reasons that you simply can't.

*edited to fix awkward grammar in last sentence*

I thank you for expressing my opinion on this issue so eloquently.

 

[Kooch]

#1 of top ten reasons USA is going down the shitter: Bad attitude. Leads to poor quality of product.
Please don't hold this guy up as exemplifying "the American way," that kind of drops a load of crap on what made this country great in the first place: innovation and.... cooperation. You can be a leader and still be a team player. In the scheme of things, this guy is just one piece of a whole, which broke down. People with tremendous talent have no obligation to use it or maximize it until they buy into a group effort. Anyone who has a business involving more than himself (even a one man business needs customers) knows the value of reliability. Its the basis of establishing one's reputation. You can be an excellent whatever, but no one really tolerates a screw-up. Correct me if I've got this wrong, but isn't one reason for pumping money into school sports and little league etc the notion that "character" built in the games we play carries over into the other, more serious aspects of one's life? In my initial post I alluded to the effect on performance of surgeons and pilots the morning after a binge, and was corrected by a subsequent poster who made the quite reasonable observation that comparing skiing to either of these other two things was a bit of a stretch. Agreed. But its the character of the man involved that is in question. Its a question of recognizing and then meeting an important obligation, and this I believe comes from inside.
By the way, I agree with dmc about the commercialization aspects. Just picked up a book "Downhill Slide" by Hal Clifford on the corporate aspects of skiing. Might be worth a read in the off season.
ski adk: I appreciate your comments too. Part of the above was in response to your thoughts. If the dude in question had stayed in the backwoods, he could have run around buck naked for all anyone would care. He chose to trade in the backwoods for the spotlight. I'm no sociologist or professional philosopher, but you and I, and even the best of the best (in anything), are part of a social contract of some sort. Maybe I'd love to tool around in my car at 90 mph on Main St, but I can't. So I put my car on the track, right? But unless I own the track and drive by myself, I have some rules to follow. OK, but one guy, skiing alone, no one to hurt but himself, where's the harm? Absolutely no harm (even though truly suicidal stuff can get you locked up somewhere). Enter the concept of an organization, a program, a team. And someone else's dime. This is not on this dude's dime. Somehow that creates an extra obligation, even if the temptation is to say "screw the Man," rip off the corporation, fart in their faces.
Confession here: I'm not a skier. Just learning.( Came to this site looking for advice from the ski boot expert who was once accessible here). I didn't really care if this guy won or lost. Wouldn't have minded seeing him consistently make it to the bottom, though to be able to appreciate the beautiful skiing you experts are referring to. Had I paid to get in, I'd be pissed instead of just mildly disappointed. Don't get me wrong...the competition itself is relatively minor to me. The principle is worth the time because, as you can see, I believe it carries over into everything else. I see it as poor work ethic. Just the opposite of what really characterizes the "American spirit." Some people might be able to get away with saying f-you to anyone who questions them. I have a feeling that a good number of people with that attitude are incarcerated. Even Dirty Harry had a boss to answer to.

 

[JimG.]

#1 of top ten reasons USA is going down the shitter: Bad attitude. Leads to poor quality of product.
Please don't hold this guy up as exemplifying "the American way," that kind of drops a load of crap on what made this country great in the first place: innovation and.... cooperation. You can be a leader and still be a team player. In the scheme of things, this guy is just one piece of a whole, which broke down. People with tremendous talent have no obligation to use it or maximize it until they buy into a group effort. Anyone who has a business involving more than himself (even a one man business needs customers) knows the value of reliability. Its the basis of establishing one's reputation. You can be an excellent whatever, but no one really tolerates a screw-up. Correct me if I've got this wrong, but isn't one reason for pumping money into school sports and little league etc the notion that "character" built in the games we play carries over into the other, more serious aspects of one's life? In my initial post I alluded to the effect on performance of surgeons and pilots the morning after a binge, and was corrected by a subsequent poster who made the quite reasonable observation that comparing skiing to either of these other two things was a bit of a stretch. Agreed. But its the character of the man involved that is in question. Its a question of recognizing and then meeting an important obligation, and this I believe comes from inside.
By the way, I agree with dmc about the commercialization aspects. Just picked up a book "Downhill Slide" by Hal Clifford on the corporate aspects of skiing. Might be worth a read in the off season.
ski adk: I appreciate your comments too. Part of the above was in response to your thoughts. If the dude in question had stayed in the backwoods, he could have run around buck naked for all anyone would care. He chose to trade in the backwoods for the spotlight. I'm no sociologist or professional philosopher, but you and I, and even the best of the best (in anything), are part of a social contract of some sort. Maybe I'd love to tool around in my car at 90 mph on Main St, but I can't. So I put my car on the track, right? But unless I own the track and drive by myself, I have some rules to follow. OK, but one guy, skiing alone, no one to hurt but himself, where's the harm? Absolutely no harm (even though truly suicidal stuff can get you locked up somewhere). Enter the concept of an organization, a program, a team. And someone else's dime. This is not on this dude's dime. Somehow that creates an extra obligation, even if the temptation is to say "screw the Man," rip off the corporation, fart in their faces.
Confession here: I'm not a skier. Just learning.( Came to this site looking for advice from the ski boot expert who was once accessible here). I didn't really care if this guy won or lost. Wouldn't have minded seeing him consistently make it to the bottom, though to be able to appreciate the beautiful skiing you experts are referring to. Had I paid to get in, I'd be pissed instead of just mildly disappointed. Don't get me wrong...the competition itself is relatively minor to me. The principle is worth the time because, as you can see, I believe it carries over into everything else. I see it as poor work ethic. Just the opposite of what really characterizes the "American spirit." Some people might be able to get away with saying f-you to anyone who questions them. I have a feeling that a good number of people with that attitude are incarcerated. Even Dirty Harry had a boss to answer to.

Then I gather you would prefer the Austrian approach:

1) Set up a special team devoted to speed events with the sole purpose of beating Bode.
2) Displace other Austrian team members who had already earned places on the olympic team with these special team members, thus destroying team unity and creating a sour, backbiting atmosphere.
3) Have ski techs who apply the wrong wax to a ski and then try to commit suicide by driving a truck into a police barricade.

All of that took place on the Austrian team in this recent olympics, all done in the name of team and country.

Please don't think I'm ignorant of where you're coming from, and I think you make some good points. However, there has to be a middle ground because I don't want my kids growing up wound up so tight that they think suicide is the only solution to defeat.

 

[tekweezle]

i was hoping this thread would die but oh well....

Bode's performance is not life or death. I don;t think anyone could hold it against him that he lost or even performed badly. Sure he did get hyped up a bit by the marketing machine. But it is a competition afterall and anything can happen. Hell, Ligity might not have won his gold medal if the last skier had not been DQ;d.

what I think rubs a few people the wrong way is Bode;s attitude as converyed by his comments. it sounds like sour grapes-that since he didn;t win, it wasn;t important to him anyway and the games are ruined by emphasis on who wins. that;s a bit of a cop out. One day, he might look back at this and say to himself "man, I regret not being more prepared". I hope he comes out of all this maybe a little more humble and infinitely more prepared the next time around.

I was rooting for him but not expecting him to win. He;s sort of a skiing "everyman" and being from the northeast, far more interesting than the "country club" types. I am sure there are plenty of people here who could relate to him on a social level. I like to knock back a few drink apres ski too.

 

[Marc]

I only read the first and last parts of Kooch's post. I can't read one long post. I don't think I have the attention span. The "Enter" key is quite excessible. Make paragraphs.

Please don't hold this guy up as exemplifying "the American way," that kind of drops a load of crap on what made this country great in the first place: innovation and.... cooperation.

I'm not sure what is meant by "the American way." I do take umbrage with the fact that innovation and cooperation are what made this country great. That's wrong. Freedoms, self governance and focus on the individual instead of the community are what made this country great. Innovation and cooperation are by products. But that's another debate.

Even Dirty Harry had a boss to answer to.

Aside from the fact that the sentence was painfully ended with a preposition, any non specific reference made to Clint Eastwood and his movies shall from this point on only be a reference to the man with no name.

For claiming I didn't care about this topic I sure am posting a lot here. Shows how much I desperately like hijacking.

Back to beer now.

 

[Kooch]

Even Dirty Harry had a boss. Grammatically better, I hope.

You sell, I buy. You make, I use. You deliver, I keep buying. You don't deliver, I stop buying. That's a community of sorts. Covers the basics of business.

I want to build a house and barn. So do you. We help each other. That's a community of sorts. Covers the basics of beginning a town.

Focus on community. Most important element in making this country great? Perhaps not.
But up there. Humans are social creatures. We evolved as such. (oops, didn't mean to start up a new controversy..although it seems we've kicked the crap out of this one)

The individual who insists on his own self-importance to the extent he feels its OK to let down his group, his team, his community, his clients, is not the individual who can build anything. The elements listed in the previous post important as well.

Hey, it'd be good if this kid learns from this, and on that note, auf Wiedersehen.

 

[Marc]

Well, now that we're approaching Argentina on a thread that started somewhere north of the Arctic circle-

That's a community of sorts. Covers the basics of business.

Wrong. Business is not "a community of sorts."

Basics of business: Two parties each posess something that is more valued by the opposite party. A mutually beneficial exchange is made. The freedom to do so: capitalism. Nothing more, nothing less.

I want to build a house and barn. So do you. We help each other. That's a community of sorts. Covers the basics of beginning a town.

Lol, perhaps if you grow a long beard, live in a remote farm town in PA, and refuse to utilize modern innovations such as electricity, this is true.

Humans are social creatures.

Speak for yourself, holmes. Not all of us are (although clearly Bode is). I just want to be left alone.

And like I said, I don't care about the Bode 'issue.' If he's doin' what makes him happy, fine. It's no skin off my back.

By the way, the grammatically correct version of your original sentece would be "Even Dirty Harry had a boss to whom he had to answer."

Sorry, I grew up in the house of an English teacher.

 

[ctenidae]

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