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100% the same sequence for me
Same hear! I tap my heel before buckling!
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100% the same sequence for me
Cabrio (3 buckle) shells are popular among bump skiers for their progressive flex. They're also a lot easier to get on and off. Overlapping (4 buckle) shells are probably better for carving, where torsional rigidity is an important factor.
OK, plenty of good (and bad) info here, so let's start over.
1) Do you know what your forefoot measurement is?
2) What's the height of your instep?
3) exact length of (both) feet?
4) total foot height?
And a dozen more things. If the answer is "no" to ANY then you have no good reason for buying boots on the interweb. None.
You don't seemingly even know that the flex numbers among manufacturers has exactly zero commonality, so maybe you buying a 100 in one brand and 120 in another. Do you know which is what?
The last pair of least coast procured boots I had fit like crap (from a "respected" CT shop). I went to Fanatyco at Whistler and the guy looked at my feet, then at the boots and said "great boots, but not for your feet". He refused to do any mods or sell me any boots saying he didn't have what I needed, and to come back in November - which I did. First pair of great fitting boots I ever had. WOW - what a difference!
First - go to a real shop - since they'll make adjustments at no charge for what they sell you versus $50/punch. Usually, after a thorough analysis of your foot they'll bring out a couple of pairs to try on. Last winter I went to Sportsden in SLC. Once the machine lasered my feet, there were numbers and considerations I'd never seen before, and NICE was the boot he brought out in response.
Second, get good footbeds, I used to favor going right more than left - now, no preference. Yes, a decent pair is $125-$150 - suck it up and do it.
Third, good socks - yeah - $20, 25 per pair. And they should be THIN. Seeing as you're trying to cheap out everything you probably won't listen, but they're imperative
Fourth - do NOT go to Surefoot. Their process ends up with COLD boots that limited amount can be done with the liners apart from sticking pads on the liners, that end up looking like the boot equivalent of a latino rice rocket.
Fifth It's all about the shell sizing and the liner. Get the best shell you can, then get some Intuition liners. Warm, form fitting and one of the best liners available. You will NEVER regret what you spend on an Intuition
If you're going to cheap it out, then fine, get some second hand rental boots and you can look with pride at some ill-fitting contraptions that you got cheap.. If you want something that's really going to work, spend some money. They should last 10 years, so what's you're real cost?
Right, but the OP not only asked for boot advice, he stated he was looking to be able to improve his skiing and ski black trails with confidence. It's probably going to take more than some comfy new boots.There's a disconnect here stemming from serious AZ skiers who ski 39 to 109 times per year answering a question as if it's for themselves & their serious ski lifestyle habit, when the response is for a casual recreational skier who gets out maybe 9 or 10 times in a 6 month season. Those responses would be 100% spot-on for serious skiers, but the OP literally said he isnt that guy.
Right, but the OP not only asked for boot advice, he stated he was looking to be able to improve his skiing and ski black trails with confidence. It's probably going to take more than some comfy new boots.
This is how all gear discussions go thoughThis thread is really getting oft-ridiculous.
1) The guy in question literally stated he skis 10 days per year. He doesn't need custom made liners & eleventy-million dollar boots from space materials tweaked by an ex boot fitter for the Austrian National Alpine team.
2) Buying boots on "teh internetz" does not equal complete disaster with a little research & prior knowledge.
There's a disconnect here stemming from serious AZ skiers who ski 39 to 109 times per year answering a question as if it's for themselves & their serious ski lifestyle habit, when the response is for a casual recreational skier who gets out maybe 9 or 10 times in a 6 month season. Those responses would be 100% spot-on for serious skiers, but the OP literally said he isnt that guy.
The last time I was in Surefoot, they had a computer aided footbed setup. You'd stand on a pad, and several hundred plastic pins would measure the shape of your footprint. Then that information would be used to CNC out a footbed.Any comments about my current boot size and or surefoot/baylock would be appreciated
Mister moose, thanks for your input, thinking of sure foot, then I hear stories like yours, and I get more confused.
The last time I was in Surefoot, they had a computer aided footbed setup. You'd stand on a pad, and several hundred plastic pins would measure the shape of your footprint. Then that information would be used to CNC out a footbed.
Couple reasons. At that time, Surefoot's machine was using pencil sized pins that would elevate to your foot. (Checking their website, it looks like they still do) The resolution was not impressive. Basin's machine uses an air/sand/vacuum molded affair so that the resolution is more like the grains of sand under your feet. Far better resolution, in fact it's a lot like a mold, as opposed to a 1/4 inch estimate resolution.What's wrong with that, that all sounds pretty fantastic to me (And why do you assume handmade is more accurate)?
Couple reasons. At that time, Surefoot's machine was using pencil sized pins that would elevate to your foot. (Checking their website, it looks like they still do) The resolution was not impressive. Basin's machine uses an air/sand/vacuum molded affair so that the resolution is more like the grains of sand under your feet. Far better resolution, in fact it's a lot like a mold, as opposed to a 1/4 inch estimate resolution.
Basin Ski Shop is on the access road in Killington. I looked into Surefoot, but never used them. Yes, minor tweaks. Replacements. Adjustments. Repairs. I put a lot of ski hours in my boots. As I said above, it's a journey.I found them in Killington, never heard of them before, definitely interested in using them, mister moose you have used surefoot in the past? Did you have to come back at all to basin for minor tweaks? Thanks in advance, Tom
Too long ago to remember.And I imagine Surefoot's more expensive too, right? I used to live walking distance to a Surefoot, but decided against it ultimately due to sticker shock.