border patrol

[ed-drum]

I saw an old WWII movie (can't remember the name of it) and the spy was running to the border away from the Nazis with the dogs barking, where he met with a man from the resistance. They ran for a while and the resistance man stopped and took out a jar and proceed to dump a powdery substance on the ground. The spy said "what's that" and the resistance man said, "it's a mixture of dried blood and cocaine. One whiff of this and the dogs won't be able to smell themselves." Then the Nazis and dogs got to the spot and the dogs started rolling on the ground and were useless. The spy got to the border safely. Ed.:razz:

 

[Bumpsis]

I find the idea of border patrol stopping people 90 some miles south of the border rather bizzar and frankly, worrisome.
I speak with a slight foreign accent (born and raised in Europe) so does my wife. The idea of having to carry my passport on a ski trip to VT just has not crossed my mind. So, if I get pulled over, I well maybe taken for an illegal with nefarious plans in mind and no way to prove otherwise. Great!

The prospect of being held on some unfounded suspicion sounds really wonderful

An this has been happening for years now??

 

[Plowboy]

Some info from 05'

http://www.timesargus.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050106/NEWS/501060332/1003/NEWS02

Stop The Checkpiont

http://stopthecheckpoint.blogspot.com/

 

[ed-drum]

Thank you Plowboy! The writings about the checkpoint in Hartford Vt. totally reinforces the point that I am trying to make. The DHS does NOT "protect" us from terrorists or anything else. Customs has so much stuff going in and out of our country that it virtually impossible to look at every container of goods. How does the vast amount of drugs like Heroin and Cocaine get into America? Poppy and coca plants are not grown in the states. I have traveled from Europe on many occasions and I wouldn't even bring a piece of fruit with me for fear of having it seized. A CIA (Cocaine Importing Agency) plane crashed in the Yucatan last September with 7 TONS of coke and 1 TON of heroin aboard. Then, the coke became three tons and the heroin disappeared.(!) There are PICTURES of the plane crash with the bails of dope sitting next to it on the net. What I am worried about is the Nuclear bomb that DISAPPEARED on it's way from Minot Air Force base to Barksdale last year. Ed.

 

[MichaelJ]

Any one smuggling would obviously take the 93 option knowing that the checks happen below WRJ. Though I did see one stop point done in Lincoln, NH once, it is far less often than the one on 91 in question.

They used to set up down near Waterville Valley. Trivial to avoid, get off the exit before and get back on after. Any smuggler worth their salt would have no problem with these "checkpoints".

I think I remember a fatal accident because of their setup (no warning, traffic suddenly dead stopped), and haven't seen it since, but the portable lights and message board are still there on the side of the road.

 

[Plowboy]

I think I remember a fatal accident because of their setup (no warning, traffic suddenly dead stopped), and haven't seen it since, but the portable lights and message board are still there on the side of the road.

The past few times I've been down 91 it has been closed but the signs and trailer are still set up. The accidents were in NY on the Northway(I87). Not sure if they set that one up anymore.
http://www.senate.gov/~schumer/Schu..._releases/2004/PR02921.I87accident092104.html

 

[ctenidae]

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2008/03/25/police_limit_searches_for_guns/

Fortunately, not everyone s entirely apathetic.

 

[LongStep]

governments tend to become paranoid when they are doing things they know are wrong. Liberties and personal freedom have being taken and rights have certaintly been eroded in the past 20 years or so. Many think the country is heading down a terible road of facism. I try and see both sides of an argument when thinking about these points. I can absolutly see both sides of the picture. I tend to believe we are heading in the wrong direction expecially in the economic world but only time will tell. An old quote I enjoy is "there can be no daily democracy without daily participation" Americans have gotten lazy and a lazy uninformed public is breading grounds for the boys up top to wreck havok. Sorry if this offends anyone but I believe in the constitution and in America.


oh and I was once stopped at a checkpoint up in northern NH maybe 30 miles from the border by heavily armed border patrol agents. Not the friendliest folks I have ever met. My gf was pretty shook up.

 

[Warp Daddy]

My god we get stopped regularly here on the Canadian border in NNY --its an everyday event it seems . the only thing that changes is the location and route number ---what a sad reality .

 

[Hawkshot99]

 

[drjeff]

If you're not doing anything you shouldn't/have anything you shouldn't no big deal. If you're doing something you shouldn't/have something you shouldn't than you should be worried. It's really that simple.

 

[ctenidae]

If you're not doing anything you shouldn't/have anything you shouldn't no big deal. If you're doing something you shouldn't/have something you shouldn't than you should be worried. It's really that simple.

If I haven't been doing/don't have something I shouldn't, then I shouldn't have to have my rights infringed upon. It's as simple as that.

It's not a question of inconvenience. It's a question of rights.

 

[Warp Daddy]

AGREED -- its a pain in the tush when its a regular occurance and of QUESTIONABLE value in terms of keeping undesirables out > Moreover its destroying what for centuries was a harmonious relationship with our across the river neighbors in Canada .

Local economies on Both sides of the river are being negatively impacted as a result of this policy -

 

[LongStep]

AGREED -- its a pain in the tush when its a regular occurance and of QUESTIONABLE value in terms of keeping undesirables out > Moreover its destroying what for centuries was a harmonious relationship with our across the river neighbors in Canada .

Local economies on Both sides of the river are being negatively impacted as a result of this policy -

People will give up much for safety. This is either a saftey issue or a control issue.

 

[Warp Daddy]

This is a situation of control without guaranteeing safety: thus a Zero Sum Game

 

[MichaelJ]

If you're not doing anything you shouldn't/have anything you shouldn't no big deal. If you're doing something you shouldn't/have something you shouldn't than you should be worried. It's really that simple.

I haven't done anything I shouldn't have, so what business is it of the border patrol where I was, what I was doing, or where I'm going, when I didn't cross the border? Let them question me if I'm a legal suspect in an investigation, or at a border checkpoint *on the border*.

 

[riverc0il]

If you're not doing anything you shouldn't/have anything you shouldn't no big deal. If you're doing something you shouldn't/have something you shouldn't than you should be worried. It's really that simple.

There are lots of cases in which people breaking laws had to be worried when what they were doing wasn't hurting any one. If no one questioned laws and tried to change things and had to be worried for doing things they "shouldn't" be doing, we would still be living under Victorian conditions. Rules and laws adapt to society because groups of people decide that the things we "shouldn't" be doing are perfectly acceptable and they want to engage in those actions without fear of being punished. Defending questionable and potentially civil liberties breaking precedents on those grounds does not make sense to me.

 

[ed-drum]

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will lose both." "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." Benjamin Franklin.

 

[riverc0il]

"Any society that would give up a little liberty to gain a little security will lose both." "Anyone who trades liberty for security deserves neither liberty nor security." Benjamin Franklin.

That was a Charlie Schussler signature at one point! :-D

 

[Hawkshot99]

It is quite funny how many of you are saying what about YOUR rights, but yet have posted many times of taking away other rights of others.........