Cannon Mountain...thoughts

[threecy]

So Sunapee is more challenging and his a higher percentage of advanced skiers than Crotched?

yup

Did I understand that correctly?

 

[Puck it]

Did I understand that correctly?

No, he has been on the "twist me, puke me" ride too long.

 

[deadheadskier]

No, he has been on the "twist me, puke me" ride too long.

correct

 

[threecy]

No, he has been on the "twist me, puke me" ride too long.

correct

It certainly is hard to make a statement that Sunapee is a more challenging ski area with more advanced skiers than Crotched.

 

[deadheadskier]

If you say so

 

[threecy]

If you say so

You implied that feeder areas are for novices and that destination areas are for experts.

You also mentioned that the areas the listed Southern New Hampshire that went out of business were small feeder areas for novices.

Is it not interesting that, in the past 30 years, the three (now two) goverment areas have spent millions on building and expanding novice areas? Not including surface lifts (costing hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars per area), Cannon has installed a quad and two triples while Gunstock has installed a quad, a triple, and a double.

So, if King Ridge, Crotched, Highlands, Temple, and Tenney were all novice areas with novice skiers, couldn't one theorize the significant growth of government run novice areas significantly harmed these soon-to-be-closed privately owned and operated areas?

 

[BLESS]

love this thread. Like a junkie, I keep coming back to read it. The funny thing is, even though DHS & Threecy keep disagreeing, i bet they are more alike than they think....I have no idea about feeder hills & crotches, but I do like to go skiing in the winter, regardless of where.


With that said, Ive never been to them, but the perception among the RI people I know is that places like Crotched, King Ridge, Temple ar much smaller than places like Sunapee & Gunstock....as far as skill level, well thats way too subjective for me.n Some people think they are experts because they can go 70 mph down blue cruisers at places like loon, and some people think theyre experts cause they can ski MITT @ 2mph without falling. In my experience.....people that usually need to label themselves "experts" usually are far from it.

this prolly made no sense, but im bored.....carry on

 

[deadheadskier]

If you say so

 

[BLESS]

You implied that feeder areas are for novices and that destination areas are for experts.

You also mentioned that the areas the listed Southern New Hampshire that went out of business were small feeder areas for novices.

Is it not interesting that, in the past 30 years, the three (now two) goverment areas have spent millions on building and expanding novice areas? Not including surface lifts (costing hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars per area), Cannon has installed a quad and two triples while Gunstock has installed a quad, a triple, and a double.

So, if King Ridge, Crotched, Highlands, Temple, and Tenney were all novice areas with novice skiers, couldn't one theorize the significant growth of government run novice areas significantly harmed these soon-to-be-closed privately owned and operated areas?

once again, you make a good argument. But I still think it could certainly be circumstantial. Could these places have invested in novice areas in response to the other areas closing? as in, they saw a need? Im not up on the dates of what happened when....so its just a question.....

 

[threecy]

once again, you make a good argument. But I still think it could certainly be circumstantial.

It may come off that way because I don't agree with the premise that Temple, King Ridge, Crotched, etc. where irrelevant, small feeder areas.

 

[Northernflight]

I don't think at this point you can really compare Sunapee and Crotched. Sunapee, although in my opinion has fairly easy terrain, the trails their are much tougher than any terrain that Crotched has at this time. I love skiing at Crotched but I put it solidly in with Pats Peak and honestly I feel like Pats trails are steeper than Crotcheds. Does anyone have the trailmaps for these areas back in the 1980s- early 1990s before they closed. I never skid Sunapee before it was leased out so I can not compare the areas to what they were back then but at this time they are in completely different markets. When was 93 built? That probably also had a line in taking out areas like Temple and Crotched when it doesn't take that much more time to drive to the larger areas in the Whites as opposed to those areas.

 

[MadPadraic]

Ah, so Sunday River is big for having multiple pods, but Crotched, Temple, and King Ridge weren't.

In a word: YES. Arguing that Crotched or Temple are viewed by consumers as size-wise substitutes for Sunday River is like arguing that Upper Cannon is not an excellent blue run. :flame: (sorry RC).
The argument is so absurd that you can't really be making it, can you?

Is it not interesting that, in the past 30 years, the three (now two) goverment areas have spent millions on building and expanding novice areas? Not including surface lifts (costing hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars per area),

Remind me here, but I thought we established earlier that Cannon is self sufficient and has actually covered its bad years?

As a second question, was the tuckerbrook area paid out of the state's general fund, or was the money raised in some other manner (e.g. bonds, taken from Sunapee lease payments, etc)?

Cannon has installed a quad and two triples while Gunstock has installed a quad, a triple, and a double.

So, if King Ridge, Crotched, Highlands, Temple, and Tenney were all novice areas with novice skiers, couldn't one theorize the significant growth of government run novice areas significantly harmed these soon-to-be-closed privately owned and operated areas?

Wasn't Cannon's begineer area, tuckerbrook, built well after most of these places closed?

 

[MadPadraic]

love this thread. Like a junkie, I keep coming back to read it. The funny thing is, even though DHS & Threecy keep disagreeing, i bet they are more alike than they think....I have no idea about feeder hills & crotches, but I do like to go skiing in the winter, regardless of where.

It's great isn't it? We are 5 months from Sunday River opening the season, so I hope this doesn't go away.

With that said, Ive never been to them, but the perception among the RI people I know is that places like Crotched, King Ridge, Temple ar much smaller than places like Sunapee & Gunstock....as far as skill level, well thats way too subjective for me.n Some people think they are experts because they can go 70 mph down blue cruisers at places like loon, and some people think theyre experts cause they can ski MITT @ 2mph without falling. In my experience.....people that usually need to label themselves "experts" usually are far from it.

this prolly made no sense, but im bored.....carry on

I don't understand the fascination with what percentage of riders/skiers at any given area are experts/intermediates/novices/etc. The point is to have fun. Cannon makes the sport fun.

 

[jack97]

I don't think at this point you can really compare Sunapee and Crotched. Sunapee, although in my opinion has fairly easy terrain, the trails their are much tougher than any terrain that Crotched has at this time. I love skiing at Crotched

I agree.....in addition, the glades at Sunapee are way harder than Crotched. Going to repeat... only trail that has any pitch is the main trail under the quad lift.

 

[threecy]

In a word: YES. Arguing that Crotched or Temple are viewed by consumers as size-wise substitutes for Sunday River is like arguing that Upper Cannon is not an excellent blue run. :flame: (sorry RC).
The argument is so absurd that you can't really be making it, can you?

I never made that argument. I'm not sure where you're coming up with that.

Remind me here, but I thought we established earlier that Cannon is self sufficient and has actually covered its bad years?

Not quite. Cannon is injected with hundreds of thousands of dollars of Sunapee lease revenue every year. Large projects, which would drag down private ski area income statements, are taken care of by taxpayer backed low interest bonds.

 

[thetrailboss]

I never made that argument. I'm not sure where you're coming up with that.

Vertical drop is often overestimated on ski area forums. If that were the such a factor, why would so many people drive to Sunday River, where the largest peak has about the same vertical drop as Cranmore?

And maybe it is just me but it seems as if you argue for the sake of arguing sometimes. At any rate, I've said what I am going to about Cannon for now. This is rivaling the typical Killington thread! :lol:

 

[ski_resort_observer]

Personally I have yet to figure out why so many people go to SR

 

[Puck it]

Personally I have yet to figure out why so many people go to SR

Never been. I like throwing my money at the poorly run state run ski area in NH.

 

[deadheadskier]

Personally I have yet to figure out why so many people go to SR

It has a lot of the same qualities as Stratton and Okemo that attracts tons of intermediate skiers (great snowmaking, grooming and cruising terrain), also has very underrated expert terrain, it's a large area that if you know the mountain you can avoid the crowds on holiday weeks, great terrain parks,tons of slopeside lodging, a long season, tremendous value in a season pass and good customer service. Outside of not having great natural snowfall, Sunday River really has the whole package to make for an excellent eastern ski destination.

 

[threecy]

Personally I have yet to figure out why so many people go to SR

Image is huge. To some people, its worth the extra drive and money to be able to talk to their co-workers and friends about their time at a well-known ski area. There are certainly a lot of other factors (such as apres skiing, etc.), but in the end, name brand steers a lot of skier visits.