hammer
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Agree that conditions can be questionable due to crowds but if one wants to go to a decent sized area for a day trip it seems you end up following the masses.I guess so, if you mean dependably awful conditions. At least on weekends (which is when those areas are crowded), conditions are deplorable. There are places that strike a decent balance.
That said, I do my best to stay away from the busiest areas on holiday weeks, even if it means going to a smaller area or one that is more "natural-dependent".