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Detachable lift technology

BushMogulMaster

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I know that some of you are fascinated by lifts, and in particular, the technology of a detachable. I figured I would put together a few pics with a brief explanation of each. Feel free to ask any questions you'd like. These images might help give you a better idea of how these machines work.

Descriptions are ABOVE photos.

This is the motor room of a very large detachable quad. You can see most of the major components of the lift system in this image:

motorroom.jpg


This is the motor, or the Prime Mover. The high speed shaft comes out of the prime mover, and you can see the flywheel, which leads into the gearbox (the vertical blue thing in the far right of the photo). Gearboxes in most modern lift installations are complex planetary gearsets. Out of the bottom of the gearbox, the low speed shaft leads to the bullwheel (not shown in picture).

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The shot below is the bullwheel. In a detachable lift, the bullwheel diameter is smaller than the line gauge, and so the haul rope must be deflected by sheaves (not shown) into the smaller diameter of the bullwheel. In this photo, you can also see the bullwheel brake and the rollback brake (the clamp-like red things on either side of the photo:

bullwheel.jpg


This is the power take off (PTO), that powers the accel/decel tire banks. The force of the haul rope is transferred to a series of pulleys by a bank of sheave wheels, which connect to the pulleys via belts. These PTO pulleys connect to the pulleys that drive the tire banks.

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Here is an image of the belt drive tire system. The pulleys that drive the tires are geared by using differing sizes and belts. The friction plate on top of the grip on each chair is driven by the tires in the terminal (it is not longer attached to the haul rope). The rate of decel/accel depends on the ratios of the pulleys. This is how the ramp down/ramp up occurs, and it is synchronized with the line speed via the PTO system as described above (and shown also in the right side of this photo).

beltdrive.jpg


This is an electrical/electronic panel being constructed and wired at the Leitner-Poma factory in Grand Junction, CO. Don't ask how it works. Monkeys and mirrors, and a little smoke.

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Same as above.

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This is an operators' panel (for drive station) being constructed at the L-POA factory. This is the circuitry and controls that operators and mechanics use for regular operations.

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Well, hopefully you learned something! Ski lifts are fascinating pieces of equipment!
 

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It looks like the electrical panel is 3-phase. What's the typical power requirements for this type of lift system?
 

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It looks like the electrical panel is 3-phase. What's the typical power requirements for this type of lift system?

Correct, that panel was being constructed for an AC gondola, IIRC.

For a long time, lifts were running DC prime movers.

Newer installations are mostly variable-frequency 480v 3-phase AC. It's more efficient, and better for a lift application (mainly due to 100% torque across the frequency spectrum).
 

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how many amps does that draw @480v? do the lifts have back-up power systems?

I'm not certain about the amp load, but I'll look into it.

All ski lifts are required to have an EPU (evac power unit), and many have an APU (aux power unit). These are usually diesel engines, but you'll see gasoline from time to time. The EPU is usually only capable of low speed evacuation. The APU is usually rated to run the lift at full speed and full capacity.
 

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Wow. please post this over at Epic.

3-phase? My last ski tuning machine was 3-phase, a bear to use for home use. I cannot see myself adding one of these lifts at the house.
 

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Correct, that panel was being constructed for an AC gondola, IIRC.

For a long time, lifts were running DC prime movers.

Newer installations are mostly variable-frequency 480v 3-phase AC. It's more efficient, and better for a lift application (mainly due to 100% torque across the frequency spectrum).

Thanks for the pictures B-M-M. Is this lift Keystone's new gondola?

A.C. motors still seem rare in my limited exposure to new lifts. At Loon, our three newest lifts: two 2007 Doppelmayr/Ctecs and one 2004 D-CTEC have D.C. motors. The Peruvian Quad (2006) at Snowbird has two 600 hp D.C. motors.

If Sunday River's new lift gets A.C. maybe I'll get a look-sie.
 

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Very very cool! Thanks for posting! The detachable units are certain more complex than a fixed grip unit.

In this pic here...is that a radiator/cooler? Almost looks like it has hydraulic lines running to it?

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Cool pics BMM. I've been wanting to see the inner working of a detachable lift.

I'd be curious to hear what the current draw on a typical detach prime mover is, it's gotta be a lot. I forget the numbers, but there are some pretty heavy duty breakers on the FG lifts at Sundown (some using AC drives and some DC).
 

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I'm full of pointless questions today! What kind of hp/torque do those electric motors put out?
 

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I'm full of pointless questions today! What kind of hp/torque do those electric motors put out?

While it probably won't have the tech info about Keystone's new install yet, check otu this link for probably way more details about way more lifts than you likely ever wanted to know

http://www.skilifts.org/install_na.htm

And I apologize for probably making the rest of your workday useless with all the really cool lift tech geeky stuff that on that page ;)
 

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Thanks for the pictures B-M-M. Is this lift Keystone's new gondola?

A.C. motors still seem rare in my limited exposure to new lifts. At Loon, our three newest lifts: two 2007 Doppelmayr/Ctecs and one 2004 D-CTEC have D.C. motors. The Peruvian Quad (2006) at Snowbird has two 600 hp D.C. motors.

If Sunday River's new lift gets A.C. maybe I'll get a look-sie.

According to POMA, as of this past install season, 80% (IIRC) of new installs have been AC VFDs.

The lift in the images above is @ Beaver Creek. Lift 9.
 

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I'm full of pointless questions today! What kind of hp/torque do those electric motors put out?

A big lift like this is putting out about 900hp. The range for detachables is usually abou 500-1500hp.

Torque varies widely from lift to lift, depending on tons of factors.
 
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