Did Mount Snow lose the Dew Tour?

[deadheadskier]

right? Most people would be psyched to have that large of an event / party held at their home mountain.

Until K has a season where it opens with upper mountain skiing in October and closes well into May, it will always be a lightening rod.

 

[Riverskier]

right? Most people would be psyched to have that large of an event / party held at their home mountain.

Until K has a season where it opens with upper mountain skiing in October and closes well into May, it will always be a lightening rod.

Personally I hate when my home mountain hosts large events. It closes trails, takes up parking, resources, etc. I go to the mountain to ski and not to watch events. Of course I have a vested interest in their success, and if these events are good for business in any regard, I fully support it. I want new lifts, aggressive snowmaking, and other improvements, so if these events help achieve that, great!

I just don't see this as typical K bashing. K posted that a big announcement was coming and I can certainly understand how people would be disapointed that it wasn't some major improvement, and perhaps worse yet, something with potentially negative consequences (closed trails, redirected resources, crowds). Again, not saying this isn't a big announcement, or something that may be good for K skiers in the long run, but I can certainly understand why people are disapointed.

 

[SkiDork]

Personally I hate when my home mountain hosts large events. It closes trails, takes up parking, resources, etc. I go to the mountain to ski and not to watch events. Of course I have a vested interest in their success, and if these events are good for business in any regard, I fully support it. I want new lifts, aggressive snowmaking, and other improvements, so if these events help achieve that, great!

I just don't see this as typical K bashing. K posted that a big announcement was coming and I can certainly understand how people would be disapointed that it wasn't some major improvement, and
perhaps worse yet, something with potentially negative consequences (closed trails, redirected resources, crowds). Again, not saying this isn't a big announcement, or something that may be good for K skiers in the long run, but I can certainly understand why people are disapointed.

+1

I think the Facebook post could have said "Coming tomorrow morning at 9 AM: Big event announcement"

That 1 extra word would have^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^might have avoided all the complaints

 

[Riverskier]

+1

I think the Facebook post could have said "Coming tomorrow morning at 9 AM: Big event announcement"

That 1 extra word would have^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^h^might have avoided all the complaints

Exactly. Surely some people still would have complained, because they don't want K to host a large event like that, but it would have alleviated any false hope of a big and exciting announcement about a mountain improvement. I don't ski K and really don't care what they do, but some of their decisions really leave me wondering, why?

 

[deadheadskier]

I guess it just seems odd to me that the K folks have been upset over the demise of the BMMC over the past few years and this event potentially could be an even bigger party

 

[millerm277]

+1 to Riverskier.

I guess it just seems odd to me that the K folks have been upset over the demise of the BMMC over the past few years and this event potentially could be an even bigger party

The difference, is that BMMC doesn't shut down the mountain at all, and doesn't pull resources away from the hill. It takes place late season on OL, and doesn't even shut down the whole trail. Also, the K folks are typically competing or know someone who is competing.

Anyway, I think far less people would be complaining if people had more faith in Killington's willingness to spend the money to do things correctly. (Snowmaking, running extra lifts to let people out of that area during the event.)

 

[midd]

I'm guessing the general K populace is excited about having the Dew Tour. It's more tangible and more easily understood/anticipated than a new infrastructure project that would get K skiers here excited.

 

[skiadikt]

+1 to Riverskier.



The difference, is that BMMC doesn't shut down the mountain at all, and doesn't pull resources away from the hill. It takes place late season on OL, and doesn't even shut down the whole trail. Also, the K folks are typically competing or know someone who is competing.

Anyway, I think far less people would be complaining if people had more faith in Killington's willingness to spend the money to do things correctly. (Snowmaking, running extra lifts to let people out of that area during the event.)

agree though i don't know what xtra lifts you mean. but clearly making snow and ensuring that the fiddle is open during the event is key. otherwise both outer limits & particularly wildfire are clusterfcks. by opening the fiddle you provide another option. if you're gonna close 2 or 3 trails on that side of the mtn, you have open an additional trail to handle the traffic.

 

[AdironRider]

Noone wants to even suggest the BMMC might have just died a natural death. Outside of this forum, the generl populace doesnt give a shit about an 80's style mogul competition. Maybe they should bring back ski ballet as well, the guy killed it in Hot Dog so it must be cool.

Whoever said this could replace the BMMC is right. Under 30 cats dont care about moguls.

 

[Riverskier]

Noone wants to even suggest the BMMC might have just died a natural death. Outside of this forum, the generl populace doesnt give a shit about an 80's style mogul competition. Maybe they should bring back ski ballet as well, the guy killed it in Hot Dog so it must be cool.

Whoever said this could replace the BMMC is right. Under 30 cats dont care about moguls.

You obviously know very little about BMMC and it's decline. I have never been and don't know a whole lot either, but I do know it was about a heck of a lot more than a mogul competition. It was the biggest Spring ski party in the East. POWDR came in and changed the rules (banning byob, grills, etc.???), essentialy killing the party. K skiers can fill in the details and correct me where I am wrong, but I do know that attributing the demise of BMMC simply to declining interest in moguls is simply wrong.

 

[deadheadskier]

It is my understandint that the demise of BMMC is/was most definitely about no longer allowing BYOB.

Then again, I'm not sure I know of a party that does allow for that at a ski resort. Seems to me that they're pretty strict at Sugarloaf with controlling the booze areas, yet it still draws many thousand people.

 

[millerm277]

I've been at them for most of the 2000s....it went from TONS of people, to a ghost town, in one/two years. It didn't have a slow decline, it was a dramatic change due to Powdr. And AdironRider, while I agree not that many people care about moguls, you certainly can't say that in the course of the last 5 years, the number has dropped by 85%, which is about how dramatic their decline was. As a side note: I'm under 30.

 

[deadheadskier]

I think Adironrider does have a point thought that a Dew type event is going to draw more people than a mogul event. It wasn't the moguls that drew people to BMMC, it was the party. Most likely you're going to have people showing up to this Dew event who weren't BMMC attendees and they'll drink plenty from Killington's designator beer gardens because that's the way it is everywhere.

I've never much understood why people have gotten so upset about the demise of BYOB at the BMMC. When I was at SPAC for a Phish concert last month, cops were confiscating booze out of people's cars on the way in. It's just how the world has changed.

 

[skiadikt]

It is my understandint that the demise of BMMC is/was most definitely about no longer allowing BYOB.

Then again, I'm not sure I know of a party that does allow for that at a ski resort. Seems to me that they're pretty strict at Sugarloaf with controlling the booze areas, yet it still draws many thousand people.

obviously not allowing booze was a biggie. but it was an incredible free-form party. sure plenty of drinking, but lots of incredible food. there was a competition for the best food. people in costumes. all sorts of craziness. essentially they wanted to sterilize and control it. was it a change in liquor laws or did they decide they no longer wanted to turn a blind eye? in any case like millerm says it went from 100 to nothing in a year or two. instead now they promote a rock concert. see the rules below:

On-Snow Venue

Please leave coolers, alcohol, BBQ’s, chairs and tents in your vehicle as they will not be permitted into the event. We ask that you leave the following at home: couches, picnic tables, kegs and animals.

 

[SkiDork]

IIRC wasn't the 1st year of the BYOB ban while it was still owned by ASC?

 

[skiadikt]

IIRC wasn't the 1st year of the BYOB ban while it was still owned by ASC?

thought the last great party was asc's final season. think it was march 31, 2007. it was the following season when powdr took over that it went downhill.

 

[Black Phantom]

I think Adironrider does have a point thought that a Dew type event is going to draw more people than a mogul event. It wasn't the moguls that drew people to BMMC, it was the party. Most likely you're going to have people showing up to this Dew event who weren't BMMC attendees and they'll drink plenty from Killington's designator beer gardens because that's the way it is everywhere.

I've never much understood why people have gotten so upset about the demise of BYOB at the BMMC. When I was at SPAC for a Phish concert last month, cops were confiscating booze out of people's cars on the way in. It's just how the world has changed.

This might give you an idea of what went on.

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

This might give you an idea of what went on.

God how they ruined it! What a party! I am a boarder and I can honestly say that the Dew Tour will have nothing on that. The Dew Tour will have a large hip hop influence, with a bunch of g'd out white kids who can't even pull off ebonics correctly. I hate rap and love music that probably has me dated! The world is passing me by and I am only 31.

Heres to long T's, Short Ski's and Crappy Music!

 

[Black Phantom]

God how they ruined it! What a party! I am a boarder and I can honestly say that the Dew Tour will have nothing on that. The Dew Tour will have a large hip hop influence, with a bunch of g'd out white kids who can't even pull off ebonics correctly. I hate rap and love music that probably has me dated! The world is passing me by and I am only 31.

Heres to long T's, Short Ski's and Crappy Music!

If they pulled in a WC race, that would be a worthy event. These park events are like getting a crack high.

 

[millerm277]

thought the last great party was asc's final season. think it was march 31, 2007. it was the following season when powdr took over that it went downhill.

Part of it was also that Killington used to book some pretty good entertainment/bands. I remember Blue Oyster Cult was there that year I think? Anyway, it was a great experience, and I have good memories of the Spring Loaded with the Dropkick Murphy's as well. Skiing, grabbing a burger off the outdoor grill, lots of snow, watching some competition and hearing some good music from pretty much anywhere on Bear.

(Realistically, they ought to book a decent band, and sell beer a little above cost, and make the "beer garden" be big and stretching up the hill, put it back to when the weather is actually warm, and they'd probably recover in a few years.)