Do Snowboarders damage trail conditions more than skiers?

[Geoff]

I would rather discuss the possibility of whether it is easier for intermediate snowboarders or intermediate skiers to successfully manage difficult trails by slipping them. I don't know, I have never boarded... but it seems to me from an observational perspective, that it is easier to "survive" a difficult trail on a snowboard slip sliding than skis. Perhaps that is an erroneous perception, but it is what i have noticed and I am open to differing view points and discussion on that one.

I think it's 18-year-olds over their head since that's what 18-year-olds do. 25 years ago, you saw jeans and a starter jacket on rental skis sideslipping things. Now it's a snowboard.

 

[Bobt2ski]

I think snowboarders and skiers wreck the snow equally together and have one heck of a good time doing it!!!!!

 

[witch hobble]

I would rather discuss the possibility of whether it is easier for intermediate snowboarders or intermediate skiers to successfully manage difficult trails by slipping them. I don't know, I have never boarded... but it seems to me from an observational perspective, that it is easier to "survive" a difficult trail on a snowboard slip sliding than skis. Perhaps that is an erroneous perception, but it is what i have noticed and I am open to differing view points and discussion on that one.

I like the transition. I'm an equal opportunity enjoyer so I cringe at these threads. I would definitely say that it is easier to hold a sustained side slip down a steep slope on a snowboard than on skis though. Skiers would be far more likely to transition at some point to something else (traverse, side step, kick turn, plow). I think it is somewhat difficult to sustain a sideslip through expert terrain on skis. Snowboarders can feather the board back and forth with their whole body pointed down the fall line, with only one edge to focus on. You see beginners doing it on easier terrain all the time and the skill tranfers to more advanced terrain.

Most of the prolonged sideslipping on skis that I picture is cleaning up race course ruts or patrollers running loaded sleds. More advanced skills.

 

[abc]

Given the simple fact it's easier to turn a ski than to side slip it, a skier over his head is going to turn whenever he can. (snowplower only push the snow to the side, not so much to the bottom)

On a board, side slip is the first thing a boarder learns, because IT is the easiest thing to do. So a boarder over his head will side slip all the way down to the bottom, taking all the snow with him.

Add to that, it's easier to "survive" a steep section on board than on ski, the said boarder is more likely to go back up and taking some MORE snow down with him on subsequent runs than the said skier!

What do we get? Boarders taking MORE snow from the trail!

 

[deadheadskier]

So, those that voted 'yes'. Do you feel that the skiing conditions at MRG are better now than they would be if snowboarders were allowed there?

That's what drove this thread. An argument with others that support the ban at MRG on the basis that the conditions there are better without snowboarders.

For the record; I don't ride and have no interest in riding. I did periodically from the mid 80s through mid 90s, but haven't been on a board since 1995.

 

[JD]

oh god....no..

 

[Smellytele]

So, those that voted 'yes'. Do you feel that the skiing conditions at MRG are better now than they would be if snowboarders were allowed there?

That's what drove this thread. An argument with others that support the ban at MRG on the basis that the conditions there are better without snowboarders.

For the record; I don't ride and have no interest in riding. I did periodically from the mid 80s through mid 90s, but haven't been on a board since 1995.

You should moderate your self and drop the MRG thing. How many times do we need to kick that horse?

 

[dmc]

You should moderate your self and drop the MRG thing. How many times do we need to kick that horse?

until the soul is crushed from all snowboarders...

Hoping to get my tele skis back from the shop today...

 

[deadheadskier]

You should moderate your self and drop the MRG thing. How many times do we need to kick that horse?

as many times as you don't have to read it.


This isn't about the ban per se. It's more the argument that conditions would be worsened at MRG with the presence of snowboarders. I disagree with that statement.

 

[WWF-VT]

So, those that voted 'yes'. Do you feel that the skiing conditions at MRG are better now than they would be if snowboarders were allowed there?

That's what drove this thread. An argument with others that support the ban at MRG on the basis that the conditions there are better without snowboarders.

It's about time that MRG entered the 80's and widened its trails, upped its snowmaking capacity to 110%, dramatically expanded grooming, builds a rail park and half pipe and becomes the snow boarding mecca of Vermont.

 

[billski]

It's about time that MRG entered the 80's and widened its trails, upped its snowmaking capacity to 110%, dramatically expanded grooming, builds a rail park and half pipe and becomes the snow boarding mecca of Vermont.

Provocateur

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[dmc]

It's about time that MRG entered the 80's and widened its trails, upped its snowmaking capacity to 110%, dramatically expanded grooming, builds a rail park and half pipe and becomes the snow boarding mecca of Vermont.

I'd be happy if they'd just let me freeride there... Just me..

 

[bvibert]

It's about time that MRG entered the 80's and widened its trails, upped its snowmaking capacity to 110%, dramatically expanded grooming, builds a rail park and half pipe and becomes the snow boarding mecca of Vermont.

A super pipe, or a small to medium sized half pipe?

 

[dmc]

A super pipe, or a small to medium sized half pipe?

crack pipe...

 

[WWF-VT]

A super pipe, or a small to medium sized half pipe?

Super pipe...You gotta go big or go home!

 

[witch hobble]

I think they need a six pack or a gondi first, maybe mandated Helmet use for all employees and skiers and riders under 30 and over 40, then build the super pipe and pipeside condo development.

 

[andyzee]

 

[Glenn]

I think we need the Mythbusters to test this one.

 

[JD]

I think we need the Mythbusters to test this one.

Actually a fantastic idea.

 

[deadheadskier]

Wonder if we could get this on myth busters

I agree.

I actually took a look at it. Seems kind of odd, but the way I found you submit ideas is through a forum.