E85 fuel

[SkiDork]

Anyone using this? I've tried it a few times in the new Suburban, but in my opinion the mileage is VERY bad, I can pretty much watch my gas gauge go down.

Thoughts?

 

[Puck it]

Anyone using this? I've tried it a few times in the new Suburban, but in my opinion the mileage is VERY bad, I can pretty much watch my gas gauge go down.

Thoughts?

Never got the acholol thing as fuel anyway.

FYI - However, for E85 (85% ethanol), the effect becomes significant. E85 will produce lower mileage than gasoline, and will require more frequent refueling. Actual performance may vary depending on the vehicle. Based on EPA tests for all 2006 E85 models, the average fuel economy for E85 vehicles resulted 25.56% lower than unleaded gasoline

 

[ctenidae]

Ethanol is a massive joke played on the public. Truly, one of the more retarded fuel options available.

Methanol fuel cells? Great idea. Ethanol in an internal combustion engine? Stupid.

 

[Puck it]

Ethanol is a massive joke played on the public. Truly, one of the more retarded fuel options available.

Methanol fuel cells? Great idea. Ethanol in an internal combustion engine? Stupid.

Very true. Let's use food crops to make fuel.

 

[hammer]

I'd give it a try in my Jeep for grins...but the V6 is a bit underpowered for the mass as it is so I doubt I'd use it on a regular basis.

How much cheaper is it than regular gas?

Just checked and it's not all that common around here...only found four gas stations within 200 miles that have it.

 

[mondeo]

E85 in flex fuel from corn is absolutely stupid.

E85+ only, from sugar cane, isn't that bad. You can boost the compression ratio significantly, offsetting the lower energy content somewhat, and you actually get more energy than is consumed in the production and distillation process.

 

[ctenidae]

E85 in flex fuel from corn is absolutely stupid.

E85+ only, from sugar cane, isn't that bad. You can boost the compression ratio significantly, offsetting the lower energy content somewhat, and you actually get more energy than is consumed in the production and distillation process.

Except the US sugar industry won't allow it, because they can't grow enough sugar cane to complete with Brazilian sources. So, you can't import Brazilian ethanol because it's a sugar product and would be hit with a tariff that makes it too expensive.
Brilliant, right?

 

[RootDKJ]

Very true. Let's use food crops to make fuel.

Hemp bio-diesel. Oh wait....

 

[hammer]

Hemp bio-diesel. Oh wait....

That's OK as long as I'm driving in front of the vehicle that's burning it...

 

[jaytrem]

Anybody ever refill a rental car with it? Only got the chance to do that once. Saves money, but sucks for the next guy.

 

[Glenn]

I don't get the logic of ethanol. We put it in gasoline as an additive to reduce emissions. Yet it reduces the mileage of the viehicle. Isn't that a zero sum game? And to make it a negative sum game, it makes a complete mess in off highway engines if they aren't run regularly: Lawn mowers, yard equipment, boat engines ect ect.

 

[TheBEast]

Ethanol is a massive joke played on the public. Truly, one of the more retarded fuel options available.

Methanol fuel cells? Great idea. Ethanol in an internal combustion engine? Stupid.

+1

Never understood the logic of taking part of the food supply and using it as fuel, creating less supply and more demand for what's actually needed to feed this country!!

 

[TheBEast]

And to make it a negative sum game, it makes a complete mess in off highway engines if they aren't run regularly: Lawn mowers, yard equipment, boat engines ect ect.

+1 - I blame this for my issues with a 2001 SV650S with a v-twin and carbs....could never keep it running if it sat for more than a month. Would have to ride it just about every day to keep those carbs from getting all gummed up. SUCKED....

Just glad I don't have a boat, many guys with the older motors are hosed with the blended fuel.

 

[Cannonball]

Just glad I don't have a boat, many guys with the older motors are hosed with the blended fuel.

That would be me. I'm an oyster farmer. When they switched to E-10 at the local pumps 3(?) years ago pretty much the entire fleet of boats went down in a matter of days. Mine bit the dust while I was out on the water. PITA!

 

[pro2860]

What a coincidence...ever since they have added 10% ethanol to gas, my mileage has dropped by....10%:angry:

 

[mondeo]

What a coincidence...ever since they have added 10% ethanol to gas, my mileage has dropped by....10%:angry:

Hmm, should've only dropped by 3-4%. Something else is responsible for the other 6-7%

 

[Angus]

Except the US sugar industry won't allow it, because they can't grow enough sugar cane to complete with Brazilian sources. So, you can't import Brazilian ethanol because it's a sugar product and would be hit with a tariff that makes it too expensive.
Brilliant, right?

You speak the truth. If the public understood the tariff structure, the ethanol subsidies and then how all this corn is messing up our food prices, they'd ... too difficult to explain.

coincidentally from today's wsj...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704330404576291772245610028.html

It's also a business under enormous strain. Some "60 to 70% of the cost of raising a hog is tied up in the grains," Mr. Pope explains. "The major ingredient is corn, and the secondary ingredient is soybean meal." Over the last several years, "the cost of corn has gone from a base of $2.40 a bushel to today at $7.40 a bushel, nearly triple what it was just a few years ago." Which means every product that uses corn has risen, too—including everything from "cereal to soft drinks" and more.

What triggered the upswing? In part: ethanol. President George W. Bush "came forward with—what do you call?—the edict that we were going to mandate 36 billion gallons of alternative fuels" by 2022, of which corn-based ethanol is "a substantial part." Companies that blend ethanol into fuel get a $5 billion annual tax credit, and there's a tariff to keep foreign producers out of the U.S. market. Now 40% of the corn crop is "directed to ethanol, which equals the amount that's going into livestock food," Mr. Pope calculates.

 

[mondeo]

All I have to say is...

Frickin Damn Ridiculous

For some reason, that phrase comes to mind with just about every malady this country faces...

 

[ERJ-145CA]

+1

Never understood the logic of taking part of the food supply and using it as fuel, creating less supply and more demand for what's actually needed to feed this country!!

Exactly why they should use hemp.

 

[pro2860]

Hmm, should've only dropped by 3-4%. Something else is responsible for the other 6-7%

Must be engaging the supercharger too much....damn lovers of the left lane!