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[thebigo]

Nor booking the hotel for this weekend

Never said I booked the hotel for this weekend. Other than a seasonal rental, I never book eastern lodging more than 48-72 hours out, no need.

 

[Smellytele]

Never said I booked the hotel for this weekend. Other than a seasonal rental, I never book eastern lodging more than 48-72 hours out, no need.

Sorry thought the grand was a hotel.

 

[Newpylong]

One thing Killington will do much more of now than SR early is to utilize different guns for different temperature situations to maximize production. SR is pretty much SV10's with just a smattering of SR7 ground guns now, mostly just on narrow sections.

Those are all Impulses, but they have been in the sun so long they aren't orange anymore lol. The only trail left with SV10s is Lolla.

 

[machski]

Yes, the original LBO Plan in '93 had a whole "village" area planned for Jordan.
Not only a base lodge, but many more condo's, retail shops, and add'l lifts/terrain were all in the picture.
The plan was always to build the hotel first. But, there was supposed to be a lot more to follow...

Yup, that was the plan. Was suppose to be quite the village. Last I heard, that had been dropped by Boyne but that was all before they dropped the Western Reserve into ski expansion. Will be interesting to see if they resurrect the Jordan Village plans or not.

 

[NYSnowflake]

I never thought I'd like indoor cycling. But this past winter, a friend gave me his Zwift when I was rehabbing a broken ankle. I thought I just do it long enough till the roads cleared of snow. I still had the setup even now. I use it on rainy days. Will probably continue in the winter. It's weirdly addictive, just like outdoor cycling.

There's something about spinning one's legs round and round in circles. It doesn't "sound" fun. But in reality, the "buzz" it cause just feel soooo good!

I got hooked on Zwift too in fall of 2020 while rehabbing a broken shoulder and being sad about ski season plans being crushed by COVID.

 

[deadheadskier]

I think a Jordan Village would be a mistake. Outside of the impact on parking, South Ridge makes far more sense for a village. More centralized, closer to existing restaurants, condos and access road businesses. It's a bit of a slog to get back to Jordan. Almost double the drive time from Bethel.

 

[ss20]

I think a Jordan Village would be a mistake. Outside of the impact on parking, South Ridge makes far more sense for a village. More centralized, closer to existing restaurants, condos and access road businesses. It's a bit of a slog to get back to Jordan. Almost double the drive time from Bethel.

IMO, a South Ridge village would be very tight. And while it is centralized it's already too much of a "hub" with both vehicular and skier traffic. Jordan would be a great way to add capacity and would be a fresh start.

 

[deadheadskier]

IMO, a South Ridge village would be very tight. And while it is centralized it's already too much of a "hub" with both vehicular and skier traffic. Jordan would be a great way to add capacity and would be a fresh start.

Put a day lodge and parking over at Jordan.

I don't disagree that South Ridge would be tight, but I don't think it needs to be a very large scale project. Just something to add a bit more density of lodging and dining in the core area of the resort. Think Claybrook at Sugarbush, not Spruce at Stowe.

I just think Jordan is way too far away from the core of the resort and Bethel. People who weren't staying there would be reluctant to drive out there. It would be like putting a village at Bear Peak at Killington.

 

[ss20]

Put a day lodge and parking over at Jordan.

I don't disagree that South Ridge would be tight, but I don't think it needs to be a very large scale project. Just something to add a bit more density of lodging and dining in the core area of the resort. Think Claybrook at Sugarbush, not Spruce at Stowe.

I just think Jordan is way too far away from the core of the resort and Bethel. People who weren't staying there would be reluctant to drive out there. It would be like putting a village at Bear Peak at Killington.

They are putting in new residential units at Bear at K.

I'm not sure...I'm not just trying to disagree with you. I just don't see "resort village" and "proximity to the true town" going hand-in-hand as a factor in desirability. Jackson Gore at Okemo is further from Ludlow than the main base. People don't seem to care about where their lodging or unit is. Okemo again for example...tons and tons of units are 3/4 up the mountain that aren't near anything save for being slopeside. Same with some remote units at Sugarloaf or Sugarbush. Or Killington the units that are slopeside in Sunrise... in good weather that's a 15 minute drive to the nearest restaurant.

 

[Newpylong]

I think there is a difference between village and residential units. The village should be near the main established base, but residential units can go anywhere within reason.

Jordan would be a good day lodge addition, but probably not a great village location. Sometimes if you build it they won't come.

 

[2Planker]

Put a day lodge and parking over at Jordan.

I don't disagree that South Ridge would be tight, but I don't think it needs to be a very large scale project. Just something to add a bit more density of lodging and dining in the core area of the resort. Think Claybrook at Sugarbush, not Spruce at Stowe.

I just think Jordan is way too far away from the core of the resort and Bethel. People who weren't staying there would be reluctant to drive out there. It would be like putting a village at Bear Peak at Killington.

That "LBO Dream Plan" also included a western Access Rd from Rt 2/North Rd., somewhere in between Gilead & W. Bethel.
Now that would have been cool !

 

[deadheadskier]

That "LBO Dream Plan" also included a western Access Rd from Rt 2/North Rd., somewhere in between Gilead & W. Bethel.
Now that would have been cool !

It would certainly save time for those coming over from the MWV.

 

[IceEidolon]

Those are all Impulses, but they have been in the sun so long they aren't orange anymore lol. The only trail left with SV10s is Lolla.

And for the same air capacity, Impulses will in aggregate beat the pants off of a big air/SR7/Ratnik style system at anything like normal snowmaking conditions. The air hogs just have a higher density - all your capacity goes to one trail. It comes down to which is better, opening one trail a day or opening five trails in three days. I'd take the five trails... as long as I have three days. This year, density wins over efficiency.

 

[Razor]

I think there is a difference between village and residential units. The village should be near the main established base, but residential units can go anywhere within reason.

Jordan would be a good day lodge addition, but probably not a great village location. Sometimes if you build it they won't come.

The village was a big part of the sales pitch when the Jordan hotel was being built. People paid $50-60,000+ for quarter shares that are now being sold for $3,000 or $4,000 or less. Hell, one was recently being given away. No village, the long ride out there and the incessant wind holds on the Jordan lift are all reasons. I think one major factor in a new 8 pack, wind resistant lift at Jordan is to appease the hotel unit owners.

 

[Hawk]

The journey to Jordan and that lift takes a good amount of people away from the rest of the mountain on the weekend. It makes all the other liftlines managable. When it is down it clearly derails the rest of the mountain. That alone is much more important than a couple hundred condo owners that are pissed.

 

[machski]

Put a day lodge and parking over at Jordan.

I don't disagree that South Ridge would be tight, but I don't think it needs to be a very large scale project. Just something to add a bit more density of lodging and dining in the core area of the resort. Think Claybrook at Sugarbush, not Spruce at Stowe.

I just think Jordan is way too far away from the core of the resort and Bethel. People who weren't staying there would be reluctant to drive out there. It would be like putting a village at Bear Peak at Killington.

South Ridge being turned into anytype of small base village would wipe out parking there, unless they went underground below said village (which would be huge $$$). There is zero area to expand as it is hemmed in on all sides by residential areas. So you'd have to garage parking or put in a connection lift and probably garage the lot above SnowCap if they build the village there.

Jordan is way out, but depending on exactly what they have in mind with the Western Reserve expansion, the LBO conceived Jordan village may not be a huge stretch for best location. Time will tell if they do anything, they need to move lots and units of currently proposed lodging before any village ideas float to the top anyway.

 

[Newpylong]

And for the same air capacity, Impulses will in aggregate beat the pants off of a big air/SR7/Ratnik style system at anything like normal snowmaking conditions. The air hogs just have a higher density - all your capacity goes to one trail. It comes down to which is better, opening one trail a day or opening five trails in three days. I'd take the five trails... as long as I have three days. This year, density wins over efficiency.

No argument there, but when it was marginal and we needed snow, we went to our K guns, not our Impulses. That is how Killington continually opens first. With over 72,000 CFM of air, they aren't exactly air limited and do what needs to be done. Now why they continue with their K3000s, Rats and SR7 towers even mid-season, that's something I haven't been able to figure out, but it is more a philosophical question for their snowmaking crew, some of which have been there for 40 years. I would be more concerned with the labor line of continually moving around as well as the overall energy efficiency of their system. Their only saving grace is they have so many they literally just stash them in the treeline at the end of every season where they need them.

 

[slatham]

I think winter just started. Between 3 and 3:30 summit of Stratton went from 37.9 to 32.5 and it is snowing up top with mix already at base. Winter weather will inevitably be interrupted as it always is in NE but winter is setting in. THINK SNOW!

 

[IceEidolon]

So the question now is who opens second - Sugar Mountain NC has been running since noon today. (So has Beech but they aren't traditionally fighting for first to open.) They look to have a couple good nights coming. How much does Sunday River need and how agressive will they be?

 

[machski]

So the question now is who opens second - Sugar Mountain NC has been running since noon today. (So has Beech but they aren't traditionally fighting for first to open.) They look to have a couple good nights coming. How much does Sunday River need and how agressive will they be?

After the R@!n SR needs a lot. And it is not getting cold up there fast. I'm in Atlanta tonight, basically the same temps here as Bethel tonight. Sugar has a very good chance with how the cold is swinging in to be 2nd.