Golf: Lie Angles

[riverc0il]

For not the first time, I got to thinking that part of the problem of my consistent push/fade could be that the standard lie angle on my clubs is too flat. Checking out many online charts using my height and wrist to floor measurement, it seems like 2* upright is recommended for my measurements. Which does not take into account the important factor of stance, so of course having a club fitter measure is preferred.

But then I got thinking is this a chicken versus the egg issue? If you get measured for lie angle... you are likely already compensating for an equipment issue if it is off. For example, if my lie is too flat, I may be bending over at the waist or bending my knees not enough to compensate. However, if I am not compensating, then a too flat lie could push the ball to the right.

Should just bring my irons to a club fitter and get things checked out and adjusted. It boggles my mind how golf equipment is one size fits all when people come in so many different sizes and shapes. It would be like all skis coming in a 170 length!

Then I got to wondering if my irons are off 2* -- at least those can be fixed. What about woods and hybrids?

 

[Beetlenut]

Should just bring my irons to a club fitter and get things checked out and adjusted. It boggles my mind how golf equipment is one size fits all when people come in so many different sizes and shapes.

Well golf equipment is not one size fits all. Get your present equipment set-up for your present swing, regardless of any swing deficiencies. Your consistency and ability to hit the ball well will improve. You can always go back and change lie angles if your swing changes. In the mean time, you will hit more quality shots and enjoy the experience more. Also have your grip size checked, and change grips if they are worn. This is your only connection to the club, so it is critical that your not over-gripping to compensate for a worn-out grip. If the grip is too fat, and you can't hold the club with just your fingers, you will loose wrist action and that "snap" at the bottom of the swing that generates most of your club head speed. Best thing I ever did for my game was have a set of clubs built to my measurements, and it didn't cost any more in the end.

 

[riverc0il]

Yea, I meant that reference about "one size fits all" as a bit of a joke, LOL. I have already gone the component route but need to dial it in more with custom fitting. With XXL gloves, I have already brought in mid-sized grips. Tried the jumbos but they almost seemed a tad too big. Any ways, it just seems like clubs should never be sold the way the big companies sell them... kind of a way to sell more clubs and keep customers trying and buying new ones rather than get them fit right the first time so they never have to buy another club again. Read Tom Wishon's Search for the Perfect Golf Club this winter and it was eye opening.

 

[drjeff]

Get to a fitter, even if they make minimal changes, it will atleast appease that thing located between your ears which can make a HUGE difference As for lie corrections on woods,hybrids - well they've got hosels, so with a good bench vice and a bending machine - you can adjust ANY clubs lie

 

[GrilledSteezeSandwich]

It just depends on your height and how long your arms are...for some who are of moderate height..5'10-5'11 off the shelf clubs could be fine....but for someone whose 5'6 or 6'4 it's not gonna fly...when you said lie angles..I origionally thought you meant if the ball was sitting in an uphill or downhill lie...but I guess it refers to if you are more inclined to launch the ball or have a lower trajectory due to your swing. Have you ever seen your swing on video??? That will explain alot and could help you pick out the proper gear..alot of my Dads friends have clubs with offets that help corrent a slice or fade..I've tried them and they seem like cheating..sort of like parabolic skis..

 

[Beetlenut]

Yea, I meant that reference about "one size fits all" as a bit of a joke, LOL. I have already gone the component route but need to dial it in more with custom fitting. With XXL gloves, I have already brought in mid-sized grips. Tried the jumbos but they almost seemed a tad too big. Any ways, it just seems like clubs should never be sold the way the big companies sell them... kind of a way to sell more clubs and keep customers trying and buying new ones rather than get them fit right the first time so they never have to buy another club again. Read Tom Wishon's Search for the Perfect Golf Club this winter and it was eye opening.

Find a club fitter that does dynamic fitting. They put impact tape on the bottom of your clubs, and you hit balls. They look at the marks on the tape to determine where the bottom of the club is contacting the ground. It takes into account any flaws in your swing mechanics. They adjust the club in the bending machine and you try it again until you get a solid mark all the way from the heel to toe on the sole of the club. Doesn't take that long, and really dials in the lie angle. I went the component route too and couldn't be more pleased.

 

[campgottagopee]

Get to a fitter, even if they make minimal changes, it will atleast appease that thing located between your ears which can make a HUGE difference As for lie corrections on woods,hybrids - well they've got hosels, so with a good bench vice and a bending machine - you can adjust ANY clubs lie

I agree with the good Doc on this one, it's more in our minds than anything. Kinda the diff between having your edges beveled 1 degree or not. What I mean is unless your on the World Cup or on the PGA Tour you're most likely never going to notice the diff. After saying that, I always order my clubs +3/4 of an inch and 2 degrees upright.

p.s. Harvey Penick (read his books if you haven't) aleays said by bending your building in a hook or a slice.

 

[riverc0il]

p.s. Harvey Penick (read his books if you haven't) aleays said by bending your building in a hook or a slice.

Or removing one or the other I still have to read Penick. Calling around to local shops tomorrow for pricing and services. Not sure who does club work around here. There is a club builder down in Concord but that is a bit of a drive and his price seem a little higher than what I would expect. I am sure someone local could bend a few irons for a Jackson or two.

 

[tjf67]

For not the first time, I got to thinking that part of the problem of my consistent push/fade could be that the standard lie angle on my clubs is too flat. Checking out many online charts using my height and wrist to floor measurement, it seems like 2* upright is recommended for my measurements. Which does not take into account the important factor of stance, so of course having a club fitter measure is preferred.

But then I got thinking is this a chicken versus the egg issue? If you get measured for lie angle... you are likely already compensating for an equipment issue if it is off. For example, if my lie is too flat, I may be bending over at the waist or bending my knees not enough to compensate. However, if I am not compensating, then a too flat lie could push the ball to the right.

Should just bring my irons to a club fitter and get things checked out and adjusted. It boggles my mind how golf equipment is one size fits all when people come in so many different sizes and shapes. It would be like all skis coming in a 170 length!

Then I got to wondering if my irons are off 2* -- at least those can be fixed. What about woods and hybrids?

Why is it you can put on any type of ski and ski it well? Same thing goes for golf only golf IMO is harder.

I stopped buying new golf equipment 5 years ago. It makes only a small amount of diference. Unless your sticks are over 20 years old.

 

[tjf67]

Find a club fitter that does dynamic fitting. They put impact tape on the bottom of your clubs, and you hit balls. They look at the marks on the tape to determine where the bottom of the club is contacting the ground. It takes into account any flaws in your swing mechanics. They adjust the club in the bending machine and you try it again until you get a solid mark all the way from the heel to toe on the sole of the club. Doesn't take that long, and really dials in the lie angle. I went the component route too and couldn't be more pleased.

That only works if your swing is the same every time you go out.

 

[campgottagopee]

Why is it you can put on any type of ski and ski it well? Same thing goes for golf only golf IMO is harder.

I stopped buying new golf equipment 5 years ago. It makes only a small amount of diference. Unless your sticks are over 20 years old.

True, ain't the arrow it's the indian

 

[Beetlenut]

That only works if your swing is the same every time you go out.

Why wouldn't it be? If your swing mechanics are different every time you play golf, then equipment is the least of your problems!

 

[Warp Daddy]

True, ain't the arrow it's the indian

Totally agree ---------------It ain;t the equipment, it's the dude that swings it >

 

[campgottagopee]

Why wouldn't it be? If your swing mechanics are different every time you play golf, then equipment is the least of your problems!

Riiiiiiiiiight, cause my swing is the same every time :wink:

Shit man, good luck with that one.

 

[Beetlenut]

Riiiiiiiiiight, cause my swing is the same every time :wink:

Shit man, good luck with that one.

Good luck breaking 90!

 

[campgottagopee]

Good luck breaking 90!

What's this 90 you speak of???

 

[Beetlenut]

What's this 90 you speak of???

Most likely your score for 9 holes! Ba-Da-Bump!!

 

[campgottagopee]

Most likely your score for 9 holes! Ba-Da-Bump!!

Well ain't you clever---think of that one all by yourself???:razz:

 

[drjeff]

True, ain't the arrow it's the indian

So true! That's what I keep telling myself when I go into a putting funk. It's not the club that has the problem, it's the idiot holding it! :lol:

 

[Warp Daddy]

So true! That's what I keep telling myself when I go into a putting funk. It's not the club that has the problem, it's the idiot holding it! :lol:

Yeah and TODAY I WAS THAT IDIOT holding the putter -- tpoo damn many 3 putts lead to a double set of 44's !! so much for being in the zone