I dislike Bush

[Peter the great]

I mean really, after I saw farenheit 9/11 I could not find any reason for liking bush ever.... again.... and all the republicans around in my office, are just saying that it is against the church to be democrat. they think that the war in Iraq is a good thing. and another guy thinks that we otta conquer the world cause we can..... wow.....ladies and gentlemen I give you your moron.

 

[BeanoNYC]

Peter,

While I agree with you on what your saying, I take offense to the way you insulted others in the Fahrenheit 911 thread. We have been lucky, so far, in being able to discuss controversial subjects in a mature and non-insulting manner. A well respected member and moderator of this forum locked the Fahrenheit 911 thread in order to prevent any more insults and give you another chance. You then chose to start this discussion on the very same topic with flame bait. Pete, do us all a favor and cut the B.S. If you have something of value to add to Alpinezone, then please post it. If your trolling for an argument, please go somewhere else. We are first and foremost, a community who’s interest lies in mountain sports. Please take a few moments to lurk and “feel” the good vibes before you write your poison. Whatever our political affiliations may be, we’re all way too content with the atmosphere here to ruin it by responding with flames.


Cheers :beer: ,
Rich

 

[awf170]

trying to start an argument are we? The other post was locked for a reason

 

[Vortex]

Excellent self monitoring. Ignore him.

 

[awf170]

Excellent self monitoring. Ignore him.

i think that monitoring should move me and beanonyc up to moderators :wink: :wink: jk

 

[ChileMass]

I am on the case.......

 

[hammer]

I guess this is the first time I paid attention to the sponsored links on the thread.

I'm curious as to how this works...

 

[Greg]

While I agree with you on what your saying, I take offense to the way you insulted others in the Fahrenheit 911 thread. We have been lucky, so far, in being able to discuss controversial subjects in a mature and non-insulting manner. A well respected member and moderator of this forum locked the Fahrenheit 911 thread in order to prevent any more insults and give you another chance. You then chose to start this discussion on the very same topic with flame bait. Pete, do us all a favor and cut the B.S. If you have something of value to add to Alpinezone, then please post it. If your trolling for an argument, please go somewhere else. We are first and foremost, a community who’s interest lies in mountain sports. Please take a few moments to lurk and “feel” the good vibes before you write your poison. Whatever our political affiliations may be, we’re all way too content with the atmosphere here to ruin it by responding with flames.

Well said, Rich.

Excellent self monitoring. Ignore him.

Agreed.

 

[Jaytrek57]

Ignoring?

Any response is engaging. Trolls love any attention.

Great...now I've done it to!!

 

[Max]

Ignoring?

Any response is engaging. Trolls love any attention.

Great...now I've done it too!!

ROFL... We have met the enemy and he is us!

 

[dmc]

I love bush....
But I hate Bush...

DOH!!!!!

 

[Stephen]

Interesting NY Times editorial today:

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/03/o...78fc81db6&ei=5090&partner=rssuserland&emc=rss

-Stephen

 

[ctenidae]

That is pretty good, Stephen. I only caught snippits of Laura's performance, and I came away with the impression that her speechwriter is remarkably good at bringing a joke right up to the line, without crossing it. Some of it was pretty good. Unfortunately, I think Laura uses the same speech coach as W- it's easy to tell where you're supposed to react, because they stop talking.
I disagree with many of Bush's policies, and the skill the GOP has developed in manipulating the public is frightening, yet amazing. Nixon invented it, Reagan polished it, but GWB has perfected it. He may not be able to string together a coherent thought on his own, but he is a brilliant politician, able to hold his core of supporters while weakening his opposition and not severely annoying the swing voters. Clinton was pretty good at it too, but his experiments didn't work as well as W's old-school methods.
Overall, I'm pretty disappointed with the state of American politics- perception over substance, spin over reality. Hopefully Jefferson's right, in that Democracy is the best way to ensure the people get the government the people deserve, and that we'll wake up as a country soon and realize we deserve better. A viable third party would be a decent start. While I'm wishing for things, I'd like a pony, too.

 

[dmc]

Anyone associated with GWB now - is a tool..
All the good people left...

I'm pretty liberal but I took F911 with a "grain of salt".. Some things seems spun some don't.. Tough to tell.. I also didnt watch it until AFTER the election so I wouldnt have to be accused of using it in my debates against conservatives...

I do know our current administration has a knack for releasing info to manipulate events and scare the F out of people...

 

[pedxing]

I was surprised to get your PM, Peter.

"From: Peter the great
To: pedxing
Posted: 02 May 2005 21:26
Subject: what did you say about my mother?

ok, first of all, I am a new user. and second, you really need to cut the holier than thou stuff. I'm new here so I didn't really know about the no attacks and stuff. other wise I would totally beat you down. so anyway what do you mean no evidence? the war in korea and vietnam was a total flop and we did get our kicked "bailing out other countrys" we provided help to people that never asked for it. and all for the sake of not wanting communism to spread. usa acted like the good neighbor who gets into everybodies buisness for "their own good" I don't really care if everyone wants to be commies it's their buisness and their choice."

When I talked about your lack of evidence I meant you didn't offer evidence to build and support your case. I actually loathe Bush's politics and agree with many of your conclusions. I just think it would be better to build a strong argument than sling insults like "moron." As an aside, I have family in Texas who turned to Bush's Dad in a time of crisis (my cousin was a Vietnam POW at the time) and the entire Bush family was warm, gracious and kind. So, while I may hate their politics and policies - I try to separate that from a more personal level. Bill Clinton said something to the same effect, hoping we can disagree without some measure of courtesy and respect.

I wasn't trying to out holy you, I was trying to be welcoming - while at the same time explaining my problems with your post. My slate ain't clean, I'm not throwing any stones. I think we can get along here.

 

[thetrailboss]

I guess this is the first time I paid attention to the sponsored links on the thread.

I'm curious as to how this works...

:-? I'm not sure if this is what you are referring to, but Alpinezone moderators are not paid or bribed to express a certain political bias. People are entitled to express their opinions in so long as they comply with our community standards.

 

[hammer]

I guess this is the first time I paid attention to the sponsored links on the thread.

I'm curious as to how this works...

:-? I'm not sure if this is what you are referring to, but Alpinezone moderators are not paid or bribed to express a certain political bias. People are entitled to express their opinions in so long as they comply with our community standards.

When I open up the thread, I get sponsored links with titles like "Proud Democrat Wristbands"...

Are the sposored links somehow tied into the thread content?

I'm not trying to imply that the moderators have anything to do with this, I was just curious.

 

[ctenidae]

It's the power of Google, hammer

It can make using gmail fun, trying to see what silly ads can be forced.

 

[ChileMass]

I was surprised to get your PM, Peter.

"From: Peter the great
To: pedxing
Posted: 02 May 2005 21:26
Subject: what did you say about my mother?

ok, first of all, I am a new user. and second, you really need to cut the holier than thou stuff. I'm new here so I didn't really know about the no attacks and stuff. other wise I would totally beat you down. so anyway what do you mean no evidence? the war in korea and vietnam was a total flop and we did get our kicked "bailing out other countrys" we provided help to people that never asked for it. and all for the sake of not wanting communism to spread. usa acted like the good neighbor who gets into everybodies buisness for "their own good" I don't really care if everyone wants to be commies it's their buisness and their choice."

When I talked about your lack of evidence I meant you didn't offer evidence to build and support your case. I actually loathe Bush's politics and agree with many of your conclusions. I just think it would be better to build a strong argument than sling insults like "moron." As an aside, I have family in Texas who turned to Bush's Dad in a time of crisis (my cousin was a Vietnam POW at the time) and the entire Bush family was warm, gracious and kind. So, while I may hate their politics and policies - I try to separate that from a more personal level. Bill Clinton said something to the same effect, hoping we can disagree without some measure of courtesy and respect.

I wasn't trying to out holy you, I was trying to be welcoming - while at the same time explaining my problems with your post. My slate ain't clean, I'm not throwing any stones. I think we can get along here.

This is well-put, and pedxing, I am proud to count you among the regulars at AZ.com. Way to defuse without beating the guy up in public..... :beer:

Well, it looks like I'm one of the few Bush supporters on this site, but that's OK. I guess when I see Dubya and Laura acting like sort of regular human beings instead of watching the religious nuts pull their strings, it makes me feel a little better about them as people. I agree the religious right has an awful lot of power these days, and Dubya seems to make overt, public displays of Christianity the litmus test for political power, but I really think if you watch these folks closely, they are just playing along for the political advantage. The religious nuts are hot right now, and opportunists like Dubya and Delay and their kind are taking advantage, like politicians will. Aside from the obsession with fundamentalist religion, most of the rest of the Republican agenda, including tax reduction, checking immigration, and commitment to democracy abroad are all good in my view......

 

[dmc]

Aside from the obsession with fundamentalist religion, most of the rest of the Republican agenda, including tax reduction, checking immigration, and commitment to democracy abroad are all good in my view......

Weather they want it or not...