Is this the latest Mad River Glen has remained closed?

[gores95]

Never having been there can any locals tell me the latest that MRG opened? Does anyone remember them closed for the Xmas-NYD time period?

You know thinking about this crazy weather...it is scary when you see the climate changing before your very eyes. Normally climates change a degree or two every few hundred years, not every few years! I wonder what NE ski resorts will still be operating when my 4 & 9 YO daughters are in their 20's and 30's???

Marc

 

[awf170]

You know thinking about this crazy weather...it is scary when you see the climate changing before your very eyes. Normally climates change a degree or two every few hundred years, not every few years! I wonder what NE ski resorts will still be operating when my 4 & 9 YO daughters are in their 20's and 30's???

Marc

Basing a your belief of global warming on a few months in one small location of the earth. Very scientific. :roll: Seriously, how can say the climate is changing in front of your eyes just because of one year?

And, about your last comment. I'm not even going to respond, you have to be kidding me. If there are no ski areas operating in 20 years in New England we will have far greater things to worry about, like how everyone in the US will be able to survive when we can't grow any crops in the midwest because it is too hot and dry.

Check this out:
http://www.uvm.edu/skivt-l/?Page=.%2Fbad_december.html&dir=.

One of those years there were 0 inches of snow at the stake on december 29th.


Sorry, I had to vent. I do believe in global warming, but citing this crappy early season as evidence of it just blows my mind.

 

[klrskiah]

Sorry, I had to vent. I do believe in global warming, but citing this crappy early season as evidence of it just blows my mind

Not really that mind blowing to me. i realize that the crappy weather pattern we are in is primarily caused by the strong Pacific Jet and the lack of a blocking pattern in the atmosphere, but when you consider that something like the 10 warmest years in recorded history have occured since 1990 i think we ARE seeing the effects of climate change before our eyes.

WARM=uke:

 

[billski]

Wich wey duz the wind blo???

Not really that mind blowing to me. i realize that the crappy weather pattern we are in is primarily caused by the strong Pacific Jet and the lack of a blocking pattern in the atmosphere, but when you consider that something like the 10 warmest years in recorded history have occured since 1990 i think we ARE seeing the effects of climate change before our eyes.

WARM=uke:

I too agree that global warming is a legitimate phenomena. Then again, my colleagues in Denver, Boulder and Colorado Springs are locked down thanks to their blizzard this week. From a non-technical, qualitative perspective, the Gulf Stream s*cks this year. (that is a technical term The Gulf Stream should bl*w

 

[riverc0il]

Sorry, I had to vent. I do believe in global warming, but citing this crappy early season as evidence of it just blows my mind.

could not have said it better myself. i was just telling a fellow co-worker yesterday that pumping up climate change by saying it is causing this crappy winter is playing right into the "doubters" hands even though climate change is a fact, the only issue being disputed is what caused it and if anything can be done about it. we have had winters just as bad as this in the past, and if other ski areas were not already open due to snow making, mad river would not look like such an anomaly. i wouldn't doubt they haven't opened until january in the past. it isn't pretty but this winter is not unprecedented.

 

[snoseek]

mad river will not open with anything worth skiing until they get several substantial snow events. that's the price you pay to ski natural.

 

[ctenidae]

Sorry, I had to vent. I do believe in global warming, but citing this crappy early season as evidence of it just blows my mind.

Global warming isn't a faith based event, is it? It's not something you really believe or disbelieve. Hell, the fact that it's occuring isn't even really open for a factual discussion. The only thing in question is the why of it, and that doesn't really lend itself to a belief system, either.

Sorry, I had to vent, too.

 

[highpeaksdrifter]

Not really that mind blowing to me. i realize that the crappy weather pattern we are in is primarily caused by the strong Pacific Jet and the lack of a blocking pattern in the atmosphere, but when you consider that something like the 10 warmest years in recorded history have occured since 1990 i think we ARE seeing the effects of climate change before our eyes.

WARM=uke:

Exactly, you can debate the reasons for golbal warming all you want, but the evidence is overwhelming that it is happening. That said, I firmly believe this statement: The scientific community has reached a strong consensus regarding the science of global climate change. The world is undoubtedly warming. This warming is largely the result of emissions of carbon dioxide and other greenhouse gases from human activities including industrial processes, fossil fuel combustion, and changes in land use, such as deforestation.

I do not mean this as a political statement, but poll after poll shows that the enviroment and golbal warming are very low priorities to the American people when they consider who to vote for. Until that changes nothing meaninngful will change in our enviromental policies.

Global warming isn't a faith based event, is it?

Great line.

 

[gores95]

Basing a your belief of global warming on a few months in one small location of the earth. Very scientific. :roll: Seriously, how can say the climate is changing in front of your eyes just because of one year?

And, about your last comment. I'm not even going to respond, you have to be kidding me. If there are no ski areas operating in 20 years in New England we will have far greater things to worry about, like how everyone in the US will be able to survive when we can't grow any crops in the midwest because it is too hot and dry.

Check this out:
http://www.uvm.edu/skivt-l/?Page=.%2Fbad_december.html&dir=.

One of those years there were 0 inches of snow at the stake on december 29th.


Sorry, I had to vent. I do believe in global warming, but citing this crappy early season as evidence of it just blows my mind.

OK Austin I guess I came off a little strong with the tree hugger stuff although I actually DO believe that the climate is changing much more rapidly than at any point during recorded history. This year I also understand that the jet stream, El Nino, and a lack of blocking have the East basically baking. So bottom line is blaming this sh-tty winter on Global Warming is probably not fair. My point is that in the next few years our climate is going to change for the worse (if you are a snow lover) and real high elevations out west or FAR north might be the only snowpack in North America in the not so distant future. I also realize that our planet does go through periodic periods of cooling and warming though usually not this rapidly.

Check out the facts:

- Locally...first time since 1891 that Central Park NY has not had recorded snowfall this late in December (also not a sniff in my colder neck of the woods far NW of the City)

- The 1990s was the warmest decade throughout the world since the mid-1800s, when record-keeping started. Five of the hottest years in recorded history were in the last decade : 1998, 2002, 2003, 2001, and 1997. Although not listed I think 2005 is also up there.

- Around the world our glaciers are melting away....Arctic, Mont Blanc etc.

OK I'll get off the soap box but forgetting this year, I DO wonder how our NE ski season will look in say 2025. Can anyone say "indoor skiing"???

Didn't mean this to be a Global Warming debate just wanted to ask about MRG's late opening date!!!

 

[gores95]

I do not mean this as a political statement, but poll after poll shows that the enviroment and global warming are very low priorities to the American people when they consider who to vote for. Until that changes nothing meaninngful will change in our enviromental policies.

Well the American people spoke on November 7 didn't they?????? Maybe (hopefully) its a step in the right direction.

 

[billski]

Well the American people spoke on November 7 didn't they?????? Maybe (hopefully) its a step in the right direction.

True but one or two or three or four administrations isn't going to turn the entrenched industries and domestic policy on its head. I suspect there are more lobbyists in DC than skiers and boarders worldwide. It will take multiple generations and I don't have that long!

 

[ctenidae]

Well the American people spoke on November 7 didn't they?????? Maybe (hopefully) its a step in the right direction.

Unfortunately, steps won't cut it, and the driver for a massive leap will probably only occur after it's too late to do anything, if there's anything that can be done in the first place. How long will it take to move the farms from the midwwest up to Canada?

 

[bvibert]

Lets not get into politics guys....

 

[ctenidae]

Lets not get into politics guys....

:lol:

 

[trtaylor]

How long will it take to move the farms from the midwwest up to Canada?

Those that have skied with me know I don't know much about skiing. But, I know something about farming. The farms of the midwest aren't moving anywhere. There is no end in sight of a steady increase in midwest crop yields. Graphic below is indicative of yield trends for corn, as an example.

 

[ctenidae]

Those that have skied with me know I don't know much about skiing. But, I know something about farming. The farms of the midwest aren't moving anywhere. There is no end in sight of a steady increase in midwest crop yields. Graphic below is indicative of yield trends for corn, as an example.

I jsut have to wonder, if the Tropics expand as predicted by global warming, South Dakota will be like Southern Texas (not great for farming) and the Canadian tundras will become the Great Plains (good for farming). Quick- buy up irrigation machinery and ship it to Manitoba!

 

[Marc]

Ok, does anybody besides me realize that the corn yield may also be steadily increasing due to other factors besides the weather, such as planting, fertilizing and harvesting techniques and other new technology?

I'm not a naysayer, but I also hate bad science. And evidence needs to be based around as few independent variables as possible. Stop dumbing this stuff down, it accomplishes nothing.

 

[ctenidae]

The increase in yeilds is certainly a result of improved technology. All the technology in the world won't help you grow corn in the desert, though. Well, it will, but not much.

 

[Marc]

The increase in yeilds is certainly a result of improved technology. All the technology in the world won't help you grow corn in the desert, though. Well, it will, but not much.

You've clearly never been to my parents' house. My father accomplishes this very feat every year.

 

[kingslug]

OK Austin I guess I came off a little strong with the tree hugger stuff although I actually DO believe that the climate is changing much more rapidly than at any point during recorded history. This year I also understand that the jet stream, El Nino, and a lack of blocking have the East basically baking. So bottom line is blaming this sh-tty winter on Global Warming is probably not fair. My point is that in the next few years our climate is going to change for the worse (if you are a snow lover) and real high elevations out west or FAR north might be the only snowpack in North America in the not so distant future. I also realize that our planet does go through periodic periods of cooling and warming though usually not this rapidly.

Check out the facts:

- Locally...first time since 1891 that Central Park NY has not had recorded snowfall this late in December (also not a sniff in my colder neck of the woods far NW of the City)

- The 1990s was the warmest decade throughout the world since the mid-1800s, when record-keeping started. Five of the hottest years in recorded history were in the last decade : 1998, 2002, 2003, 2001, and 1997. Although not listed I think 2005 is also up there.

- Around the world our glaciers are melting away....Arctic, Mont Blanc etc.

OK I'll get off the soap box but forgetting this year, I DO wonder how our NE ski season will look in say 2025. Can anyone say "indoor skiing"???

Didn't mean this to be a Global Warming debate just wanted to ask about MRG's late opening date!!!

I have to agree with you. They had to cancel some World Cup events in Europe because of this. I am truly worried about this.