BigJay
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They're just attaching the chairs to the existing towers. They'll replace the wheels and pulleys... but towers remain the same.
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Jay Peak Conceptual Development Plan (2011-2016)
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They're just attaching the chairs to the existing towers. They'll replace the wheels and pulleys... but towers remain the same.
riverc0il
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That thought crossed my mind. I assume the towers have enough clearance for quad chairs and will be reused.
They can just keep the Bonnie where it is and use it as a back-up in windhold situations.
Or I can think of a new acquisition by Mr. Stenger that could find a place for the lift...in either the East Bowl or Dipper Areas.
Or I can think of a new acquisition by Mr. Stenger that could find a place for the lift...in either the East Bowl or Dipper Areas.
Sick Bird Rider
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from_the_NEK
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There is a new Act 250 application filed on January 2nd for the contruction around the new entrance road. The application contains a new master plan. There are a few modifications (e.g. the West Bowl layout has been tweeked and the lift that goes up toward the summit of Doll Peak has been shorten by about 400 linear feet/35 vert to avoid a wetland).
The trail in the orchard is still there. The new Stateside lodge covers an area from the Ski Partol Building all the way to the old lodge (about 340 feet long).
The trail in the orchard is still there. The new Stateside lodge covers an area from the Ski Partol Building all the way to the old lodge (about 340 feet long).
from_the_NEK
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One of the bigger changes to the West Bowl area is the homes/condos along the Ullrs Runout are gone.
fbrissette
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Do you have a link to the new master plan ?
from_the_NEK
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Unfortunately, the database is hard to create a direct link to since the links are all Java scripts.
Follow this link: http://www.anr.state.vt.us/ANR/ACT250/Act250.aspx
Type "Jay" into the Town Name field.
Click on "Detail" for the first listing (7R0854-12-1)
Look for the "Exhibit P43 - Concept Master Plan Version 5.pdf" documnet link about 2/3rds of the way down the page.
fbrissette
Well-known member
Thanks !
All of the major changes were rightly pointed out by from-the-NEK. I still don't get the rationale for that trail through the orchard. It has the same gradient as the Haynes and Jet (so it is not an intermediate trail) whereas the West Bowl has definitely a more intermediate gradient.
However, I like the G6 glade very much. There will be a 200 feet (vertical) hike up to the top toward the steepest gradient in the west bowl. This will go a long way in helping us mourn the loss of the orchard.
All of the major changes were rightly pointed out by from-the-NEK. I still don't get the rationale for that trail through the orchard. It has the same gradient as the Haynes and Jet (so it is not an intermediate trail) whereas the West Bowl has definitely a more intermediate gradient.
However, I like the G6 glade very much. There will be a 200 feet (vertical) hike up to the top toward the steepest gradient in the west bowl. This will go a long way in helping us mourn the loss of the orchard.
Sick Bird Rider
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Awesome find, NEK, and thanks for posting the link JPT. I think I might print that map and use it for a trail guide! Francois, your comment about the "Orchard trail" is spot on. It will be a lot like the Derick. G-5 and G-6 do look nice.
A few things popped out to me:
- the legend indicates "revegetated ski trail" in shaded green. I assume that this means an existing trail will be closed and planted with new trees. Certain places makes sense, like the altered exit to Green Beret, but why close off the route skier's right of the "island" on Kitzbuhel? That is a good alternate route in certain conditions - why close it?
- a few other new trials of note: an alternate exit to Kitzbuhel; sneak route for Angel's Wiggle (which I believe is an old trail being re-opened); the new trail below Canyonland (which we have discussed before) is still on the map and it looks like they want to extend the cat track exit from Andre's, making skiing "Beyond Beyond" more accessible (which could be good or bad).
- can someone explain what is happening at Stateside with this plan? I see the new hotel. Is the red building (labelled "recreation centre") the current Stateside Lodge? What is the coral-coloured buidling just east of it? And where did the current (and recently expanded) Stateside parking lot go? Apparently replaced by a new sloped parking lot to the left of the Mtn Learning Centre.
BTW, I will be at Jay this Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday if any of you "development types" want to ski & complain together. Look for the greybeard wearing a bright red Patagucci jacket, grey pants and a helmet sporting stickers that say "use your head."
A few things popped out to me:
- the legend indicates "revegetated ski trail" in shaded green. I assume that this means an existing trail will be closed and planted with new trees. Certain places makes sense, like the altered exit to Green Beret, but why close off the route skier's right of the "island" on Kitzbuhel? That is a good alternate route in certain conditions - why close it?
- a few other new trials of note: an alternate exit to Kitzbuhel; sneak route for Angel's Wiggle (which I believe is an old trail being re-opened); the new trail below Canyonland (which we have discussed before) is still on the map and it looks like they want to extend the cat track exit from Andre's, making skiing "Beyond Beyond" more accessible (which could be good or bad).
- can someone explain what is happening at Stateside with this plan? I see the new hotel. Is the red building (labelled "recreation centre") the current Stateside Lodge? What is the coral-coloured buidling just east of it? And where did the current (and recently expanded) Stateside parking lot go? Apparently replaced by a new sloped parking lot to the left of the Mtn Learning Centre.
BTW, I will be at Jay this Tuesday, Wednesday and Thursday if any of you "development types" want to ski & complain together. Look for the greybeard wearing a bright red Patagucci jacket, grey pants and a helmet sporting stickers that say "use your head."
fbrissette
Well-known member
Stateside lodge will be putdown this spring/summer. That's why it does not show on the map. The coral building is an existing big shed where they store/repair stuff (not sure what). It is below the parking and out of sight. I think the grayed out part is the current parking. It's been leveled for a while. I assume they are showing the original topography on the map.
Skiing was awesome today. Just heading out for the last tram despite my legs being jelly. Going back home tomorrow otherwise I would have gladly joined you for a few runs. Enjoy your time at Jay.
Sick Bird Rider
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Thanks, François, that makes sense now. I guess the topo does not show the leveling of the parking lot (I should have figured that out). There is a lot of nice wood in the Stateside building, hopefully some will get salvaged. Maybe they will auction off the picnic tables!
Good news about the skiing. As usual, I will be skiing leftovers but at least the holiday crowds will be gone. Maybe I'll see if I can ski the new line below Canyonland...
Was also skiing today and the snow was great. Just had problems getting out of our condo because the drifts were so high.
Found out a couple interesting things today:
The problems they are having at the Sky Haus is a frozen sewer line. Whose bright idea was it to run the line above ground? It is attached the the snow making pipes going down Vermonter.
Snow Making - Because of the restrictions Jay has on how much ground they can cover with snow making and the added snow making to the Boulevard and over by the Learning Center they will not be making snow on JFK or Exhibition this year. They also got fined for drawing too much water from the Jay Branch Brook last winter. What will happen when the open the west bowl. Will more snow making disappear on stateside to support the west bowl? Any plans for a bigger snow making pond? The new plan shows no changes here.
riverc0il
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Today was A+. Total sleeper day with the snow not forecast, no one there, and lift hold making for great Tramside runs until noon.
I noticed the lack of snow making on Exhibition and GMB. Very surprised as those are normally blown and groomed out. That really limits their groomed offerings Tramside. Not that I am complaining, natural conditions on Exhibition and GMB is delightful from my perspective. Surprised they don't have the Stateside Learning Center up and running yet, I was surprised they had only just started on blowing that. I was thinking they just decided to save money due to early season natural but restrictions make much more sense.
I noticed the lack of snow making on Exhibition and GMB. Very surprised as those are normally blown and groomed out. That really limits their groomed offerings Tramside. Not that I am complaining, natural conditions on Exhibition and GMB is delightful from my perspective. Surprised they don't have the Stateside Learning Center up and running yet, I was surprised they had only just started on blowing that. I was thinking they just decided to save money due to early season natural but restrictions make much more sense.
fbrissette
Well-known member
The top of the mountain is all rocks. Would have cost a fortune to bury the pipe.
Considering the slope of the pipe, there should not be any freezing problems. The problem looked like it was linked to the septic tank and not the line itself, but I could be wrong.
Interesting stuff with respect to snowmaking. I am not too sure why they have such regulations. Water used for snowmaking goes back into the watershed comes spring. It would seem to me that they made a lot more snow last year than this year so far. Taking Beaver pond as an example, I don't think the west bowl will need much artificial snow. This part of the mountain gets a lot of natural snow. Early in the season when there is little snow, guests of the eventual hotel could take the lift to reach tramside.
BenedictGomez
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Environmental-Nazis that care far more about the boost they get to their low self-esteem derived as "righteous defenders of the environment" than from any actual and realized perceived benefits to the environment.
Sick Bird Rider
Member
Wow. Thanks for the sweeping generalization there, BG, that really adds to the discussion. Maybe next time you could use a wider paintbrush and include Jimmy Carter and the Bicknell's Thrush.
riverc0il
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Wow, you might persuade more people that you are correct if you were a little less insulting. Inserting the term "nazi" into the name of any group you disagree with makes you look like a tool. Just because someone doesn't share your vision of the world doesn't mean they have deep rooted self-esteem issues. You sound just as righteous as the group you are attacking.
