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Killington Has Worst Season On Record!

drjeff

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I don't understand all the crying? What do people expect the mountain to do in a season like this, with a 20% lower snowfall total than avg. and a super warm fall?

Skiing has always been at the whim of mother nature. Look at how many smaller, local areas went under and became NELSAP after the really bad snow years in the 70's.

For the most part, in my mind there's only 1 other type of person that displays a similar sense of entitlement as the long standing Killington person, a yankees fan ;) :stirpot: :spin: :lol: :smash:
 

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I don't understand all the crying? What do people expect the mountain to do in a season like this, with a 20% lower snowfall total than avg. and a super warm fall?

Skiing has always been at the whim of mother nature. Look at how many smaller, local areas went under and became NELSAP after the really bad snow years in the 70's.
Again... no one is complaining that they are closing early due to lack of snowfall. Because, at this point, there is not indication that there will or will not be enough snow next week. THAT is the point, K went back on their date without knowing if there would be enough snow or not, and I don't think any one is "crying". Why is it a problem to discuss ski area operations? Why is it a problem to look critically at businesses we provide money to?

The word entitlement is being thrown about and I think that is a bit over the top. Except perhaps in the case of bringing in the AG, that is a little over the top. ;) Greg might as well shut down AZ and not allow critical discussion and opinion sharing. The only part of this discussion that I don't understand is people being critical of those being critical... and generally doing by suggesting people are being critical of something they are not. I don't think any reasonable person would be commenting negatively on Killington if there really was not enough snow to operate next weekend... if everyone knew beyond a reasonable doubt that they could barely even open this coming weekend. Pictoral evidence seems to suggest otherwise and that at the least the call should have been made next week.
 

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Except perhaps in the case of bringing in the AG, that is a little over the top. ;)

Why? I want 1/26th of my season pass money back. I bought a product advertised as "to early May". This falls under Vermont consumer protection law and Vermont is pretty tough about enforcing it. If Killington doesn't respond to a demand letter requesting a pro-rated refund, I don't see how they could possibly win in small claims court. They took my money promising to deliver a service and didn't deliver it. I personally would like the AG's office to tell Killington to refund 1/26th of all their season pass revenue and 1/6th of all their spring pass revenue.
 

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Again... no one is complaining that they are closing early due to lack of snowfall. Because, at this point, there is not indication that there will or will not be enough snow next week. THAT is the point, K went back on their date without knowing if there would be enough snow or not, and I don't think any one is "crying". Why is it a problem to discuss ski area operations? Why is it a problem to look critically at businesses we provide money to?

The word entitlement is being thrown about and I think that is a bit over the top. Except perhaps in the case of bringing in the AG, that is a little over the top. ;) Greg might as well shut down AZ and not allow critical discussion and opinion sharing. The only part of this discussion that I don't understand is people being critical of those being critical... and generally doing by suggesting people are being critical of something they are not. I don't think any reasonable person would be commenting negatively on Killington if there really was not enough snow to operate next weekend... if everyone knew beyond a reasonable doubt that they could barely even open this coming weekend. Pictoral evidence seems to suggest otherwise and that at the least the call should have been made next week.

Very well put.
 

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Why? I want 1/26th of my season pass money back. I bought a product advertised as "to early May".

I think you will find that the small print said, "conditions permitting." Now, you could have a vigorous argument about what those "conditions" needed to be, but remaining open in May was never guaranteed.
 

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Well, not exactly. I did some fact checking:



I assume that you are talking about the 2006-2007 season where we got the famous Valentine's Day Storm. Regardless, this statement is incorrect. According to the records I have, the worst season was 1979-1980 when Killington tallied only 138" of snow. Source: Lorentz, p 145 (1990 edition).



Well....not exactly. Once again, the first season only saw 121 days of skiing. Source: Lorentz, p 44.

The 1960-1961 season was only 145 days. Lorentz, p. 54.

The 1961-1962 season was 150 days. Lorentz, 57.

1962-1963: 148 days.



Nope. In Killington's first season the resort opened on December 13, 1958, which is after Thanksgiving. Source: Lorentz, p. 43-44.

Killington opened for its third season on December 14, 1960. Lorentz, p. 54.

The 1961-1962 season started on December 2, 1961. (57)

1962-1963: December 8, 1962. (58 )

In fact, the first time that they opened before Thanksgiving looks to be in the 1965-1966 season when they opened on November 18, 1965. (63)

There used to be a chart online which had the entire historical data, but I can't find it....

One key fact that was missed out was that from 1958-1995 while Pres ran it, Killington got into having the longest season and made a profit doing it every year except their first season.



trailboss of old has come back. Only thing missing is colors.:razz:
 

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Why? I want 1/26th of my season pass money back. I bought a product advertised as "to early May". This falls under Vermont consumer protection law and Vermont is pretty tough about enforcing it. If Killington doesn't respond to a demand letter requesting a pro-rated refund, I don't see how they could possibly win in small claims court. They took my money promising to deliver a service and didn't deliver it. I personally would like the AG's office to tell Killington to refund 1/26th of all their season pass revenue and 1/6th of all their spring pass revenue.
Gezz man, stop talking about it and get at it! Post up some pics of the legal brief or something. I would be willing to bet your 1/26 of a season pass that you won't get a refund enforced by the AG. I am sure there was some wording in the season pass documentation, some sorta fine print, that stipulated K could close early due to lack of snow. How little snow is lack of snow? I think that would likely be judged as how little snow K thinks they need to operate. If they need to push snow from the sides of the trails into the center or push it to cover the headwall or push it to extend the snow back to the lift, I think they could make a case that they don't have enough snow.

I think it is a BS argument, but I am sure they have themselves covered legally. Just my guess.
 

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Again... no one is complaining that they are closing early due to lack of snowfall. Because, at this point, there is not indication that there will or will not be enough snow next week. THAT is the point, K went back on their date without knowing if there would be enough snow or not, and I don't think any one is "crying". Why is it a problem to discuss ski area operations? Why is it a problem to look critically at businesses we provide money to?

The word entitlement is being thrown about and I think that is a bit over the top. Except perhaps in the case of bringing in the AG, that is a little over the top. ;) Greg might as well shut down AZ and not allow critical discussion and opinion sharing. The only part of this discussion that I don't understand is people being critical of those being critical... and generally doing by suggesting people are being critical of something they are not. I don't think any reasonable person would be commenting negatively on Killington if there really was not enough snow to operate next weekend... if everyone knew beyond a reasonable doubt that they could barely even open this coming weekend. Pictoral evidence seems to suggest otherwise and that at the least the call should have been made next week.

the reason why there is still snow on the trail is because they spent money all season blowing snow. would people be happier if there wasnt any snow on superstar right now?
because it sounds like if there wasnt any snow on superstar right now then killington would be aloud to close without pages and pages of threads.
maybe next year they wont blow so much snow during the year and just close early like all the other resorts and everyone will give them a pass for closing a week early due to low snowfall totals this winter
 

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the reason why there is still snow on the trail is because they spent money all season blowing snow. would people be happier if there wasnt any snow on superstar right now?
because it sounds like if there wasnt any snow on superstar right now then killington would be aloud to close without pages and pages of threads.
maybe next year they wont blow so much snow during the year and just close early like all the other resorts and everyone will give them a pass for closing a week early due to low snowfall totals this winter

Killington already sold season passes announcing a season of "Early November to Early May". If they don't deliver on that and continue to improve their midwinter product for the $82.00 walkup intermediate and family tourons, the erosion in skier visits will continue. At some point, the place loses critical mass since you can't afford the budget to blow snow at a big sprawling resort if nobody shows up to make the activity profitable.

If you look at state data on retail sales, lodging, or traffic on the Access Road, POWDR has lost 1/3 of the people and 1/3 of the revenue in three winters of ownership. They just shot their dick off once again. At some point, POWDR sells and runs away like they did at Alpine Meadows where they were loathed or they come up with a product formula that actually makes people show up. The only formula that's known to work is the Preston Smith formula. First to open. Last to close. Blow snow until the snowmaking ponds are sucked dry. If you can drag a hose to it, it sees snowmaking. All the superlatives including biggest party scene.
 
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With the closing announcement today, Killington officially has the worst season on record.

Total snowfall: 203" - worst since 2005/2006 (saved by late February dump)
Snowfall since March 1: 18" - worst ever
Ski days: 153 - worst ever
Closed for Thanksgiving - first time ever


Taken from: http://snowdaze.com/blog/killington-has-worst-season-on-record

I still had a great season....had my 2nd best holiday period over 10 days, skied with joyce all season- which was #1 & best part of the season, my best ski day ever feb 24th 2+ feet & dominated, meeting the alpinezone guys, going to ski sundown, skied with blackphanton & a warm & sunny march....in order, joyce, 2 foot dump, ski sundown & alpinezone people....
 

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So you're upset about $40.73?

($999 pass plus tax / 26 = $40.73).

I want Killington to refund EVERYBODY that $40.73. This is a very straightforward breach of contract since Killington sold every one of their season passes promising skiing into May, weather and conditions permitting. Looking out my window, there is still ample snow with natural in the forecast. A couple of hundred thousand dollars would be a nice dope slap to POWDR.
 

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they should prolly change their ad to read:

"Weather, conditions and economics permitting"
 

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This Accuweather prediction turned out to be amazingly accurate. This mapped predicted a bad year for Killington. Did you guys listen no. You still purchased your season passes for Killington.

The snow conditions in the Catskills was the best I can remember in 20 years. The 5 foot snow storm wasn't bad either.

My sister in-law lives in Western part of Virginia. They got hammered with snow this year. Her kids had no school 2 weeks and they had to add 5 days to the end of the school year because of too many snow days.

Many of the other weather predictions this years were way wrong. Who ever made this Accu Weather season map for 2009 - 2010 should get a raise.

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