Man Physically Attacks Chairmate at Park City

[KustyTheKlown]

Florida man. Enough said.

Where would you rather live the least? NJ, Cali or Florida?

its not even a contest. florida.

i live in new jersey now. jersey city, which i kind of consider to be the sixth borough of NYC, but an ugly yellow license plate nonetheless. as a born and raised new yorker, i had disliking new jersey baked into me. but its really a bunch of nonsense. the jersey suburbs to the north and west of the city are actually quite nice. jersey has great access to nature within the state and a short drive away into NY and PA. jersey has easy access to two world class cities in NYC and Philly. jersey has hundreds of miles of great beaches, complete with a degenerate casino town.

california is expensive but wonderful. its physical beauty and variety of climate/terrain types is second to none in the united states. the skiing, beaches, and cities are all world class. california fucking rules.

florida is a piece of shit swamp full of shitty people. they have horrible politics. they have no seasons. they have no winter sports. their largest city miami is not culturally on par with other cities of its size and stature. the only thing florida has going for it is good tax policy, and golf if that's your thing.

 

[drjeff]

california is expensive but wonderful. its physical beauty and variety of climate/terrain types is second to none in the united states. the skiing, beaches, and cities are all world class. california fucking rules.

florida is a piece of shit swamp full of shitty people. they have horrible politics. they have no seasons. they have no winter sports. their largest city miami is not culturally on par with other cities of its size and stature. the only thing florida has going for it is good tax policy, and golf if that's your thing.

The data, with respect to domestic migration, seems to show that the view that you have about FL vs CA may not be the view that many other people have

Florida And Texas Led The Nation In Population Growth This Year — While New York Had Largest Decline

A growth of 0.1% in 2021 was the lowest ever recorded.

www.forbes.com

 

[KustyTheKlown]

yea, lots of people have terrible politics and only care about their taxes/wallets.

i am glad those people are going to two shitty states i have zero interest in living in.

 

[Kingslug20]

N.Cali for sure. A lot of options for skiing. Just have to pick an area that doesn't burn.

 

[drjeff]

yea, lots of people have terrible politics and only care about their taxes/wallets.

i am glad those people are going to two shitty states i have zero interest in living in.

Serious question for you. Do you know of ANYONE who voluntarily overpays on their taxes? Since there is nothing legally preventing one from doing so if they so feel inclined to?

No doubt we all need to (or all should be) paying some taxes to keep various programs regarding how our government on the local, state and federal levels operate, Far too many LEGAL tax loopholes have been written into the tax codes over the years, and often by unelected officials with plenty of influence by various special interest groups. However there certainly can be a case made across many reaches of our various levels of government that some of our tax dollars that we pay into the system (since government operates based on our money it collects through taxes not us living off of money the government freely creates and gives to us out of thin air and/or their generosity) aren't being used in the most fiscally prudent way, and then often when the government runs a deficit, rather than looking at how they are spending our tax dollars and if that is the most repsonsible way, the answer is often to just ask us to give up more of our earned money via an increase in taxes.

If one wants to move to a state where they seem to be spending more of their tax dollars in a more fiscally prudent way, all the power to them for having the ability to make that choice. Afterall the goverment works for the people, and as such, they should be listening to the people.

 

[KustyTheKlown]

edited out the swipe.

people can move wherever they want to move, whatever works for them.

i value living in the northeast where the people and the politics are generally to my liking, and i can drive to decent skiing in under 5 hours.

i consider our high taxes as a 'basic civilization and decency tax'.

people moving to Florida and Texas for low taxes, balmy weather, and casual white supremacy aren't my kind of people, and i am glad they are moving to southern states where i wont need to interact with them

 

[Edd]

Serious question for you. Do you know of ANYONE who voluntarily overpays on their taxes? Since there is nothing legally preventing one from doing so if they so feel inclined to?

No doubt we all need to (or all should be) paying some taxes to keep various programs regarding how our government on the local, state and federal levels operate, Far too many LEGAL tax loopholes have been written into the tax codes over the years, and often by unelected officials with plenty of influence by various special interest groups. However there certainly can be a case made across many reaches of our various levels of government that some of our tax dollars that we pay into the system (since government operates based on our money it collects through taxes not us living off of money the government freely creates and gives to us out of thin air and/or their generosity) aren't being used in the most fiscally prudent way, and then often when the government runs a deficit, rather than looking at how they are spending our tax dollars and if that is the most repsonsible way, the answer is often to just ask us to give up more of our earned money via an increase in taxes.

If one wants to move to a state where they seem to be spending more of their tax dollars in a more fiscally prudent way, all the power to them for having the ability to make that choice. Afterall the goverment works for the people, and as such, they should be listening to the people.

Are you considering moving to or buying property in Florida?

 

[drjeff]

Are you considering moving to or buying property in Florida?

At this time in my life, nope. Just too many things with respect to work, family, and my current enjoyment of Winter Sports to make me consider it now (although the lower taxes and more limited government regulations does certainly have some appeal I won't deny)

Might that change in the future when/if my life situation changes? (retirement, where my wife's and my kids end up living and/or starting a family in a different part of the country? Do any physical ailments prevent me from enjoying skiing in the future but still let me play golf?, etc) That certainly may end up being the case. Who knows?

On the fiscal side of things, I sure can see what the tax implications have been both in current income taxes and the potential estate tax situation for both my parents and my in-laws as they are now both full time FL residents, who spend about 5 months a year up in New England in the Summer months, and the affects over what they were paying, and/or potentially paying estate tax wise over what their previous RI and MA residency status is notable. And even during the early stages of COVID, they found that it was much more of a "normal" way of life down there in FL for them, than when they got back to New Enlgand for the Summer each year with respect to restrictions as well as how people were choosing to live their lives. And 3 or the 4 of them are life long Democrats. Just gave them the perspective of living in a place that was actually quite different than what the media was telling people living in that place was like

 

[NYDB]

old people like warm weather, don't care about school quality anymore and tend to lean R politically.

So whats not to like about Florida for them?. especially for the Boomer generations 'fuck you I got mine' mentality. the villages is perfect for those types of assholes. Plenty of hardworking immigrants to replace them up here.

Dear God Florida is awful.

 

[djd66]

Personally, I would never live in a state where it costs me 12% of my income. I pay 5.5% now. As soon as both of my kids are in college, I plan to relocate to NH where I will pay ZERO income tax. I have looked at the property taxes and they are about the same as I am currently paying. That extra 5 or 12% makes a huge difference in retirement years.

As far as Florida, my parents lived there for 20+ years and I spent spent a ton of time there. I actually think its not a bad place to live for 8 months of the year (May, June, July and August is just too hot for me) The people seem fine to me, not much different that anywhere else in the country - people are people and you can find assholes anywhere.

 

[jimk]

Florida man. Enough said.

Where would you rather live the least? NJ, Cali or Florida?

In other words, which of these states do you dislike the most? First of all, happiness is a state of mind, not a location on the map. I've always been an avid skier and always lived in the mid-Atlantic. Job and family kept me based there. Obviously, many of us make a similar choice. Life is full of compromises, you can be happy anywhere if you put your mind to it. Also, politics would be a very small factor for which I'd base a relocation decision. I'm conservative/moderate, but I enjoy being around folks of all stripes, at least in real life, because face to face contact tends to be a lot more civil than online interactions.

Back to the question: I'd have to say NJ seems least appealing to me. Part of that is because I've lived ~125 miles from the NJ state line much of my life and I'm bored with the mid-Atlantic at this point. I don't care for cool wet winters with no mtns close by and not much snow.

I like Florida a lot, especially the quiet beachy areas. One of my kids recently bought an investment property near the ocean in the FL panhandle. They call it the redneck riveria. Never been to that part of FL before, I spent the month of Oct there and the weathr was awesome, water and air both about 80 the whole time. So my love for FL is a seasonal thing. Wouldn't want to be there during ski season or middle of summer, but fall and spring could be quite nice.

I have a brother and another daughter that live in San Diego. Weather is mostly great, but dang - so many people and traffic. My brother has lived there for a good chunk of his life. He loves CA, but has many complaints too. The state govt there is very inefficient and struggles to deal with many problems. The massive homeless situation has made parts of Southern CA really unpleasant. And from down around San Diego it's like a 10 hr drive to the nearest serious ski mtn - Mammoth. Trying to ski the little southern California ski areas would be too much like the weak sauce mtns we have in the mid-Atlantic for me. But admittedly, CA is huge, so if you plunked me down somewhere around Tahoe for the rest of my life I could deal with that very nicely

As a retiree, I'm having fun in recent years visiting my four adult kids who each live thousands of miles apart from each other. One lives in UT where I've spent the last four winters.

 

[Edd]

At this time in my life, nope. Just too many things with respect to work, family, and my current enjoyment of Winter Sports to make me consider it now (although the lower taxes and more limited government regulations does certainly have some appeal I won't deny)

Might that change in the future when/if my life situation changes? (retirement, where my wife's and my kids end up living and/or starting a family in a different part of the country? Do any physical ailments prevent me from enjoying skiing in the future but still let me play golf?, etc) That certainly may end up being the case. Who knows?

On the fiscal side of things, I sure can see what the tax implications have been both in current income taxes and the potential estate tax situation for both my parents and my in-laws as they are now both full time FL residents, who spend about 5 months a year up in New England in the Summer months, and the affects over what they were paying, and/or potentially paying estate tax wise over what their previous RI and MA residency status is notable. And even during the early stages of COVID, they found that it was much more of a "normal" way of life down there in FL for them, than when they got back to New Enlgand for the Summer each year with respect to restrictions as well as how people were choosing to live their lives. And 3 or the 4 of them are life long Democrats. Just gave them the perspective of living in a place that was actually quite different than what the media was telling people living in that place was like

Definitely to each their own. The summer humidity, with which I’m unfortunately familiar, would keep me away permanently. I’m amazed at those who can deal with it easier than I.

 

[Kingslug20]

Born there...no thanx..

 

[2Planker]

A classic
"Florida - Not Like The Rest Of Us" was a part of the ole WAAF Hill Man Morning show

 

[Kingslug20]

Florida...unreal heat and humidity...crazy weather..crazy drivers...big bugs...really big....bugs...

 

[crank]

I've always enjoyed visiting Florida. Don't think I could live there.

 

[darent]

Florida - Gods Waiting Room

 

[jimk]

Florida - Gods Waiting Room

LOL!

I went to church one time down there about five years ago, well before the pandemic. It was November and this was in a nice area just north of Ft Myers. They had a memorial on an interior wall listing in large letters all the deceased from the parish in the current calendar year (which still had a month and a half to go). It was like 200 names

 

[snoseek]

Politics aside a good part of California is fucking awesome

 

[Smellytele]

Politics aside a good part of California is fucking awesome

Unless it is on fire, getting hit with mudslides or earthquakes.