Mt snow bluebird

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[Wavewheeler]

Yeah until some jackass going to fast plows into you. Roads are dangerous when their snow covered. People do not understand concept of slowing down. And some of the Suv driver's are the absolute worst. They don't understand that 4wd helps you get going, but doesn't help you stop. A dodge neon with snow tires is actually better in the snow than a jeep with bad bald tires. And the 18 wheelers are always jacknifing and you're dead if they run into you.
Yeah thank god I have a few local places or I'd never get to ski! It's good to hear you're making the best of it. Hopefully soon you'll have that mountain to call your own

You make good points. Don't want to repeat myself so check out my reply in your other thread:

http://forums.alpinezone.com/showthread.php/127457-vermont-powder/page2

 

[Wavewheeler]

I can't believe that a nj ski hill has a gondola! What a complete waste!

It's not a "real" gondola. Basically it's a gimmick. It's called the "Cabriolet". You take your skis off and stand up on it, crammed in with everyone else to make a 2 minute run up the mountain. It takes less time to get back down. It's a giant pain and I hate it. There is a triple but they don't use it much during the week. Basically it's just not a great place to ski and for a little more driving I can do better for my time and money.

Here's a pic:
http://winter.mountaincreek.com/mountain/photos-videos/photo-gallery/?p=3


I don't mind driving. For most of what I do in my life I always have to drive. Only thing I'm close to is the beach. To hike, camp, kayak, four wheel and ski I always have to drive at least 90 miles. Main reason I want to move.

 

[Snowlover]

It's not a "real" gondola. Basically it's a gimmick. It's called the "Cabriolet". You take your skis off and stand up on it, crammed in with everyone else to make a 2 minute run up the mountain. It takes less time to get back down. It's a giant pain and I hate it. There is a triple but they don't use it much during the week. Basically it's just not a great place to ski and for a little more driving I can do better for my time and money.

Here's a pic:
http://winter.mountaincreek.com/mountain/photos-videos/photo-gallery/?p=3


I don't mind driving. For most of what I do in my life I always have to drive. Only thing I'm close to is the beach. To hike, camp, kayak, four wheel and ski I always have to drive at least 90 miles. Main reason I want to move.

Only a 1000 feet vertical. No need for a real gondola, nevermind that thing. They force you to use that ridiculous thing during the week? Or do they have a normal chairlift?

 

[Wavewheeler]

On that particular peak they have a triple but it's rarely open during the week. Then they have another peak and a park with other lifts but only have a few short blacks in any case so I choose to go elsewhere. Camelback in the Poconos is pretty good for a day trip if you go midweek. Hunter and Belleayre in the Catskills are better so I don't bother with Mountain Creek. I'd rather drive a bit further and enjoy myself and it's not like Mountain Creek is cheap.

 

[mbedle]

Do they measure the snow? Are they official nws spotters who travel to mid elevation at jay peak and measure multiple times throughout the day during every storm in a relatively wind protected area? Jay peak gets LOTS of snow. Probably almost 200 inches a year. That's a lot of snow. 375 is out of the box. Places like Alta have official nws data backing up the resorts claim. Jay peak has data that points against it. The most snow EVER measured in the state of vt in a single season was 322 inches at mansfield. EVER! All time record. Tug hill got 466 inches at hooker, ny in one season.

Actually - they do have an official NOAA station on Jay Peak. I just did a quick search of the NOAA daily observation records for the 2000-2001 season and got a quick total around 340 of total snow. I'm not really sure what data you are looking at to come up with such low numbers for jay peak. Can you send me a link?

 

[twinplanx]

I don't mind driving. For most of what I do in my life I always have to drive. Only thing I'm close to is the beach. To hike, camp, kayak, four wheel and ski I always have to drive at least 90 miles. Main reason I want to move.

Just curious Wave, do you utilize the beach, is beach driving permitted in your area?

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[Snowlover]

Actually - they do have an official NOAA station on Jay Peak. I just did a quick search of the NOAA daily observation records for the 2000-2001 season and got a quick total around 340 of total snow. I'm not really sure what data you are looking at to come up with such low numbers for jay peak. Can you send me a link?

Good find. 2000 was an ABOVE average year. Mansfield recorded 300 inches that year(2000-2001) so it was very close. I'm going based off the fact that there was no station there.(I thought) that recorded snow. And no station in vt that showed those kind of numbers

http://www.erh.noaa.gov/btv/climo/stations/jaypeak.shtml

Where do you see snowfall totals for that station? I just see precip/air temps. I'd like to look at yearly snowfall totals over past 10 or more years.

 

[Snowlover]

I found the snowfall totals 2001-2002 recorded 242 inches. Mansfield got 243. What happened to the jay cloud that year? As I figured....mansfield and jay peak are very similiar in climate profiles and there's no magical jay cloud causing a 150 inch increase over mansfield. Anyone want to add up about a decade. It's tedious since you have to add up every month. Boy what a great resource! Would have saved all that fighting. I'm curious as to why jay peak wouldn't mention that climate station! hmmmm....maybe it doesn't back up the 375 average claim?

 

[Snowlover]

SO let's look at a LOW snow year since we looked at a high one. That is how averages are determined. In 2011-2012 jay peak recorded only 92 inches of snow. Mansfield recorded 167. That extra elavation at mansfield coming into play for that very warm winter.

 

[Snowlover]

This is fantastic! LOL....Thank you so much mbedle....anyone feel free to look at every year and add them up!

This PROVES that jay peak lies about snow. Why don't do a comparison between what jay peak reported and that station reported.

 

[Wavewheeler]

Just curious Wave, do you utilize the beach, is beach driving permitted in your area?

On Island Beach State Park there's a section of the beach where you can drive and camp on the beach that's for fishing. You have to be set up for fishing and have the proper equipment like a pump for airing your tires down so you don't get stuck in the sand. Never done it because I don't fish but I do have the pump.

My off road set up is for rock crawling, on trails, etc and my Jeep was set up for that. I don't like wheeling in deep mud, sand or water much so I stay away from the Pine Barrens, which has a lot of sand and water. Water and mud does terrible things to the engine, tranny and drivetrain. Rocks just breaks stuff.

I have four wheeled at Killington. Jeep Jamboree has an annual event there and I've gone up the same trails I've skied down. So cool! Does this look familiar?

 

[Snowlover]

http://www.jaypeakresort.com/skiing-riding/the-mountain/snowfall-charts

2011-2012 jay peak claimed 250 inches of snow! LOL! VS 92 recorded at the station(92 sounds SO low maybe missing some data that year, BUT mansfield got almost half it's regular snowfall so that explains it. That year was blow torch)

2010-2011 jay peak record 227 inches and the ski area reported 375 inches! Mansfield reported 252 inches.

WHERE'S THE JAY CLOUD? THANK YOU FOR THE PROOF FEEL FREE TO ADD UP THE TOTALS!
IT'S EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT

 

[mbedle]

The annual data for the Jay Peak station is available on the following link. However, remember that this station is not located on the top of Jay Peak - its down at the base of the mountain (elevation of the station is 1841 ftamsl). So these numbers will be considerably less than the snow fall amounts at the higher elevations on the mountain. They will also be less than what the station on Mount Mansfield is going to record.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cdo-web/datasets/GHCNDMS/stations/GHCND:USC00434189/detail

After clicking the link, scroll down to view station data and select a year to view. To get season totals, you need to view two consecutive years and add the numbers together for a ski season (oct - april). It does look like an average of around 200 inches per year. But again, this is down at the base and not up at the peak. Given the significant elevation change, we can assume that Jay is reporting totals they measure at the top of Jay Peak.

 

[MadMadWorld]

What are the odds Snowlover ever says, "You have a point. I was wrong." I put the odds at 1684997649708763 to 1

 

[Newpylong]

Anyone ridden that thing yet? Seems completely absurd marketing tool to get nyc yuppies. Is the thing even heated inside? Seems completely pointless if it's not heated. And your feet and legs would be exposed anyway if it was heated. I'm sorry, but I like being outside and going up on the chair lift instead of looking through some stupid blue bubble. If it's that cold that I can't handle the cold wind, then I'd rather just ride a gondola and be warm inside. Not something that just blocks winds. Oh and that blue bird thing cost over 8 million dollars! How absurd is that. I have no idea how it's possible to spend that much money on one lift. Of course we all pay for that with eventual lift ticket spikes. I'd be more concerend about chairlift safety than hype like a 6 pack(http://blog.ctnews.com/snowzone/2010/12/29/chair-lift-accident-raises-concerns/) Lucky no one died. No reason a chair lift should ever fall.

Troll much?

 

[C-Rex]

I gotta start checking this site on weekends. I can't believe I missed this doosy.

I thought the bubble lift was kinda dumb when it first went in, but it's actually REALLY nice, especially when it's really cold or windy. It doesn't need to be heated, that's just ignorant. 6 people sitting close together on what is basically a hanging couch generate plenty of heat, and with no wind to pull it away, everyone stays nice and toasty. It's much more comfortable than any gondola I've been on and the load/unload times are much faster.

So maybe do a little research or, heaven forbid, THINKING before slamming something you know nothing about.

 

[ScottySkis]

http://www.jaypeakresort.com/skiing-riding/the-mountain/snowfall-charts

2011-2012 jay peak claimed 250 inches of snow! LOL! VS 92 recorded at the station(92 sounds SO low maybe missing some data that year, BUT mansfield got almost half it's regular snowfall so that explains it. That year was blow torch)

2010-2011 jay peak record 227 inches and the ski area reported 375 inches! Mansfield reported 252 inches.

WHERE'S THE JAY CLOUD? THANK YOU FOR THE PROOF FEEL FREE TO ADD UP THE TOTALS!
IT'S EXACTLY AS I THOUGHT

So don't go to any North East hills and you will not miss snow that.

 

[C-Rex]

I've been to Jay when it's been absolutely DUMPING at the lodge and sunny at the bottom of the access road. I don't think they lie about their totals. That place gets snow like nowhere else in New England.

 

[bobbutts]

Lol, snowlover is going to get back into the site using a proxy
nobody will recognize his posting style