New Cannon Lift and Sugarloaf

[thetrailboss]

One other consideration, re: price. Most lifts are retrofits and some of the existing lift is used. This lift, like the Middlebury Lift, involves removing the old lift and erecting a new one, pylons and all. That adds some cost....

 

[drjeff]

One other consideration, re: price. Most lifts are retrofits and some of the existing lift is used. This lift, like the Middlebury Lift, involves removing the old lift and erecting a new one, pylons and all. That adds some cost....

Yup, new main electric motor, back up diesel motor, new towers, new chairs, new footings for base terminal, top terminal, towers, probably a bunch of clearing, a bunch of electrical work, helicopter time to fly the towers + cross bars, etc, etc, etc. The costs start adding up pretty quickly!

The State of NH, might wave what i'm sure is the inspection/license fee that all lifts need to have before they can carry folks though

 

[threecy]

One other consideration, re: price. Most lifts are retrofits and some of the existing lift is used.

Can you elaborate on that claim?

This lift, like the Middlebury Lift, involves removing the old lift and erecting a new one, pylons and all. That adds some cost....

I don't recall seeing anything about removal in the bid documents, so I wouldn't assume that's included in the $2.6M.

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

Still back to my original point, even if 2.6 million was for everything, I find it hard that Sugarloaf's 8 million price tag (which I would imagine included everything) was actually feasable, I mean were talking a gondola not a double, twice the distance (or thereabouts), replacing all the old footings, putting in new footings, putting in a top and bottom docks, etc. I may be wrong the 8 million may have just been for the lift and the new towers, etc, and the 8 million may have just been what the bond (towns portion) was for and the resort would cover a portion of additional costs. I guess we will never know the answer as SL is moving in another direction. And maybe I just have over estimated what a gondola costs.

 

[threecy]

Still back to my original point, even if 2.6 million was for everything

Another thing that should be mentioned - as is the case with triple chairs, Poma and CTEC don't install many doubles anymore either, so it's sort of a 'custom' job.

 

[thetrailboss]

Can you elaborate on that claim?

Claim? Well, I can tell you that a fair number of the projects that I have taken seen in the last few years have been retrofits and/or incorporated parts of used lifts to reduce cost instead of everything being completely new. Some lifts that come to mind include:

* MRG's single chair (refurbished the towers).
* Burke's Sherburne Chair (they reused the Hall pylons and footings).
* Sugarbush's Castlerock (reused parts in the engine room).
* Jay's Metro Quad (relocated SB lift).
* Northeast Slope's T-Bar (yep!)
* All of Crotched's lifts.
* Killington's Skye Peak Express (pylons).

That said, there have been a fair number of new lifts:

* Middlebury.
* Loon's two lifts.
* Stowe's Gondola and HSQ's.
* Bolton's new FG Quad.
* Sunday River's Chondola.

 

[SIKSKIER]

I don't know how anybody here could try to argue the cost of the 2 lifts.None of us have any idea what the specs were.Most of the infrastructure involved are pretty similar as far as lift towers and bases.Sure the higher capacity might have beefier ones but maybe not.The overall load on the tower when considering the spacing of chairs/cabins might make them the same.Terrain plays a huge factor in how many and where towers are installed.Both need a loading station and terminus and certainly a detach gondi has a much more complex load/termin than a FG chair.One cannot make an argument either way unless the details of each are known.

 

[UVSHTSTRM]

I don't know how anybody here could try to argue the cost of the 2 lifts.None of us have any idea what the specs were.Most of the infrastructure involved are pretty similar as far as lift towers and bases.Sure the higher capacity might have beefier ones but maybe not.The overall load on the tower when considering the spacing of chairs/cabins might make them the same.Terrain plays a huge factor in how many and where towers are installed.Both need a loading station and terminus and certainly a detach gondi has a much more complex load/termin than a FG chair.One cannot make an argument either way unless the details of each are known.

You refering to the two doubles used or new or SL vs Cannon Double?

 

[threecy]

Most lifts are retrofits and some of the existing lift is used.

Can you elaborate on that claim?

Claim? Well, I can tell you that a fair number of the projects that I have taken seen in the last few years have been retrofits and/or incorporated parts of used lifts to reduce cost instead of everything being completely new.

Thank you, I misunderstood - I thought you were saying that most lifts are built using the exisiting lift.

 

[SIKSKIER]

You refering to the two doubles used or new or SL vs Cannon Double?

I'm refering to the discussion about comparing the cost of Cannons lift vs Sugarloafs potential Gondi.