New Ski resorts or Ski pods planned for the future.

[Smellytele]

If you are talking the current Stickney T-Bar, that is a fraction of what the original Stickney plan was.

Yes. Thinking I was drinking when I posted that…

 

[BenedictGomez]

Ok, the Deer Valley expansion is moving ahead.

With new vigor. Makes me wonder if they're behind. You cant see it from the road because it's behind that monstrously large hotel, but those are base terminals in the pic, and they're working on that circle & some of the newly needed roads this week. The place looks like a stirred-up hive with all the activity.

 

[ss20]

With new vigor. Makes me wonder if they're behind. You cant see it from the road because it's behind that monstrously large hotel, but those are base terminals in the pic, and they're working on that circle & some of the newly needed roads this week. The place looks like a stirred-up hive with all the activity.

Behind? It won't dip below freezing there til December 10 or so

 

[1dog]

But after listening to TrailBoss moan on and on about the Canyon crowding, perhaps that's the Ruby ticket to gold.

But after listening to TrailBoss moan on and on about the Canyon crowding, perhaps that's the Ruby ticket to gold.

That crowding might be a piece of whats driving the new area proposal. Its a crap show mid-Jan-March in those Canyons. One place I've never been - Sun Valley- seems to be doing ok with a somewhat remote area. How close is this place to Reno?

Given that Nevada has the highest % of federally owned property, you'd think giving up a sliver for some tax revenue ( Feds don't 'pay' real estate tax of course and they own 30% of all the land in US - most west of Mississippi)

 

[snoseek]

That crowding might be a piece of whats driving the new area proposal. Its a crap show mid-Jan-March in those Canyons. One place I've never been - Sun Valley- seems to be doing ok with a somewhat remote area. How close is this place to Reno?

Given that Nevada has the highest % of federally owned property, you'd think giving up a sliver for some tax revenue ( Feds don't 'pay' real estate tax of course and they own 30% of all the land in US - most west of Mississippi)

its probably about 4 hours to Reno or SLC pretty close to the halfway point. The Mountains out there are stunning. Also the mountains South along the 50 Corridor are stunning as well but even more remote.

 

[x10003q]

its probably about 4 hours to Reno or SLC pretty close to the halfway point. The Mountains out there are stunning. Also the mountains South along the 50 Corridor are stunning as well but even more remote.

Also - Elko Regional Airport (Elv 5140ft) has a 7454ft x 150ft runway that can handle some 737 sized aircraft. That would allow for direct flights from major metro areas if the there was demand.

 

[thetrailboss]

That crowding might be a piece of whats driving the new area proposal. Its a crap show mid-Jan-March in those Canyons. One place I've never been - Sun Valley- seems to be doing ok with a somewhat remote area. How close is this place to Reno?

Given that Nevada has the highest % of federally owned property, you'd think giving up a sliver for some tax revenue ( Feds don't 'pay' real estate tax of course and they own 30% of all the land in US - most west of Mississippi)

Interestingly enough, Nevada is not much of a ski destination per se. Sure, there are some areas on the NV side of Tahoe, but folks usually associate Tahoe with CA.

For me, it is a question of "if they build it, will they come?" It is an easy drive from the SLC area. Folks are itching for less crowded options. Pow Mow was a go-to for a lot of locals who did not want the crowds, but with increased season pass prices, paid parking coming into place, and other unpopular moves, this may not be as desireable for locals.

It's been a while since I've been that far on I-80, but I second the comment about it being largely a desolate wasteland. I am not knocking some of the interesting landscape, but it really is vast and empty. I occasionally go to Wendover for booze, but that town is pretty sad. Some high-rise casinos, a grocery store, some other small gas stations, and lots of trailers and run-down homes.

The Ruby Mountains are beautiful. I have to wonder though if the "it's new" and "less crowded" will be enough to draw folks away from 500" annually of Wasatch snow, or the built-up established areas of Tahoe, to the Ruby Mountains and their 300" of snow?

And for the record, plenty of other folks have legitimate complaints about the LCC/BCC traffic issues. It's not just me.

 

[Smellytele]

That crowding might be a piece of whats driving the new area proposal. Its a crap show mid-Jan-March in those Canyons. One place I've never been - Sun Valley- seems to be doing ok with a somewhat remote area. How close is this place to Reno?

Given that Nevada has the highest % of federally owned property, you'd think giving up a sliver for some tax revenue ( Feds don't 'pay' real estate tax of course and they own 30% of all the land in US - most west of Mississippi)

SV is about 2 1/2 from Boise

 

[Zand]

If you think about it even Jackson Hole is in the middle of nowhere. Jackson is a major summer destination but as a winter ski resort it is in the absolute middle of nowhere as far as a a population base goes.

Big Sky is kind of out there too but Bozeman is a good sized town within about an hour. I think Idaho Falls is the only town with more than 20000 residents within 2.5 hours of Jackson that most would consider "day trip"worthy.

A new resort in northern NV would be similar to Jackson from a remoteness standpoint, but also close to relatively heavily traveled I-80. Could they eventually get the winter tourism that JHMR does? Like Trailboss said, if it's good enough then people may go there from SLC to avoid the canyon shitshows. Otherwise, you better hope your resort is as good as JHMR to get people to travel a long way just for your resort. That's a very tough ask.

 

[jaytrem]

Interestingly enough, Nevada is not much of a ski destination per se. Sure, there are some areas on the NV side of Tahoe, but folks usually associate Tahoe with CA.

Even the NV ski areas think they're in California...

36 Resorts. Endless Possibilities.

skicalifornia.org

 

[ss20]

If you think about it even Jackson Hole is in the middle of nowhere. Jackson is a major summer destination but as a winter ski resort it is in the absolute middle of nowhere as far as a a population base goes.

Big Sky is kind of out there too but Bozeman is a good sized town within about an hour. I think Idaho Falls is the only town with more than 20000 residents within 2.5 hours of Jackson that most would consider "day trip"worthy.

A new resort in northern NV would be similar to Jackson from a remoteness standpoint, but also close to relatively heavily traveled I-80. Could they eventually get the winter tourism that JHMR does? Like Trailboss said, if it's good enough then people may go there from SLC to avoid the canyon shitshows. Otherwise, you better hope your resort is as good as JHMR to get people to travel a long way just for your resort. That's a very tough ask.

Definitely not the case with Jackson... the Idaho side across from JH is continuously developed. Idaho City and Rexburg combined have over 100k pop. Coming from SLC to Elko you have Wendover and Wells. The rest of the "towns" along the way are either abandoned of a dozen shacks and ranches.

Big Sky is very remote. Only time I almost hit moose driving out here at night was going to Big Sky. Twice within 45 minutes, too. First time I got stopped I don't think I had 15 feet to spare.

 

[ss20]

Speaking of Bekshire East, I believe there was talk of them expanding Catamount on the NY side. Never saw a map or a plan though.

There was a map. This is from 10ish years ago.

That was under previous ownership and contingent upon a ridiculous condo-hotel project they had planned with an outside developer. One of the trails on the NY side did get cut by them, Fisher's Fluke. Since the Schaefer's took over, they have cut more on the NY and Mass sides but it doesn't really match this specific "plan".

Catamount is super cool. The place quietly grew by a 1/3 over the last 15 years. It was a lot of fun having a new trail or two nearly every season under both ownership groups, especially now with the Schaefer's. Of course this may have changed but they always let a few trails bump up in the spring. TTB moguls on Catapult-Off Stage in the spring was awesome and unmatched for the area once Jiminy Peak and Butternut stopped allowing ANY moguls to form post 2012ish.

 

[ThatGuy]

Jiminy Peak and Butternut stopped allowing ANY moguls to form post 2012ish

Jiminy will close trails on a powder day just to groom them

 

[x10003q]

If you think about it even Jackson Hole is in the middle of nowhere. Jackson is a major summer destination but as a winter ski resort it is in the absolute middle of nowhere as far as a a population base goes.

Big Sky is kind of out there too but Bozeman is a good sized town within about an hour. I think Idaho Falls is the only town with more than 20000 residents within 2.5 hours of Jackson that most would consider "day trip"worthy.

A new resort in northern NV would be similar to Jackson from a remoteness standpoint, but also close to relatively heavily traveled I-80. Could they eventually get the winter tourism that JHMR does? Like Trailboss said, if it's good enough then people may go there from SLC to avoid the canyon shitshows. Otherwise, you better hope your resort is as good as JHMR to get people to travel a long way just for your resort. That's a very tough ask.

It does not need to be better than JH. If it is less crowded than what is going on currently out of SLC, people will drive 3.5 hours for the skiing.
The wave of East coast transplants into SLC are used to the 3-5 hr drive to get to skiing.

....of course we are putting the cart about 1000 miles in front of the horse............

 

[Abominable]

There was a map. This is from 10ish years ago.

That was under previous ownership and contingent upon a ridiculous condo-hotel project they had planned with an outside developer. One of the trails on the NY side did get cut by them, Fisher's Fluke. Since the Schaefer's took over, they have cut more on the NY and Mass sides but it doesn't really match this specific "plan".

Catamount is super cool. The place quietly grew by a 1/3 over the last 15 years. It was a lot of fun having a new trail or two nearly every season under both ownership groups, especially now with the Schaefer's. Of course this may have changed but they always let a few trails bump up in the spring. TTB moguls on Catapult-Off Stage in the spring was awesome and unmatched for the area once Jiminy Peak and Butternut stopped allowing ANY moguls to form post 2012ish.

I think this is still very much in the works; at least that was what I heard from some employees while at the tubing area (projected base of the new chair in that image) for a kids' rail jam event. Not sure on timeframe or how realistic. There's a weird "hump" in the mountain about 1/3 of the way up that kind of makes things weird. I don't think you can ski straight down that lift line.

 

[Hawk]

Has anyone ever heli skied there

A guy im my office did. He said is was good. Avi danger was medium so they did ski anything steep but he still reccomended it.

 

[deadheadskier]

I would think the Western Loon project would be the most impactful regionally. If that full build out is anything like the drawings, Loon might find itself second only to Killington in the East for skier visits. The combination of location plus a really cool town at the base is pretty unrivaled.

 

[jaytrem]

There was a map. This is from 10ish years ago.

Thanks, that does look familiar now that I see it.

 

[thebigo]

I would think the Western Loon project would be the most impactful regionally. If that full build out is anything like the drawings, Loon might find itself second only to Killington in the East for skier visits. The combination of location plus a really cool town at the base is pretty unrivaled.

Also the most likely given boyne record of real estate driven expansion and the seemingly endless market in lincoln. South peak is currently using "westward trail expansion' in their marketing material. Also of note are the two trails sketched in between south and loon proper.

 

[thetrailboss]

Definitely not the case with Jackson... the Idaho side across from JH is continuously developed. Idaho City and Rexburg combined have over 100k pop. Coming from SLC to Elko you have Wendover and Wells. The rest of the "towns" along the way are either abandoned of a dozen shacks and ranches.

Big Sky is very remote. Only time I almost hit moose driving out here at night was going to Big Sky. Twice within 45 minutes, too. First time I got stopped I don't think I had 15 feet to spare.

Yeah remote is all relative. Especially looking at it from an eastern perspective. I have to agree that I-80 west of SLC to this new area is pretty damn desolate compared to driving from SLC to Jackson or even Big Sky. The routes from SLC to Jackson have towns with services at relatively close distances.

A little more than half the drive from SLC to Big Sky is on I-15 through significant population centers. After leaving Rexburg, you still have 3 or 4 towns before West Yellowstone. The most remote aspect is the last 45 minutes (40ish miles) from West Yellowstone to Big Sky. Compare that to the probably close to 75-100 miles of nothing from Tooele to Wendover, and then even more from Wendover to the Ruby Mountains (save Elko and Battle Mountain).

So IMHO, as it currently stands, the drive to this new area involves more travel through more remote and desolate areas with little or no services at all.