Nuclear Power

[Puck it]

What is this circ thing in Chittenden County? BTW

Never mind found it.

 

[deadheadskier]

I'm fine with nuclear power. I just think the plants should be built far away from large population centers. Even if the probability is 1 in a million, a catostrophe at a plant such as the one upstream from NYC would not just be a localized problem. It would be a national economic disaster. Not worth the risk IMO.

Really they should just close South Dakota. Put all the plants there in one spot.

 

[deadheadskier]

What is this circ thing in Chittenden County? BTW

Think 128 only around Burlington, not Boston.

 

[dmc]

Okay, Mr. Literal. We did shut it down and lifted but it effectively is still shutdown. Most of the deep water rigs moved when the ban started from reports that I read. They are in other parts of the world now, drilling.

Just making sure you don't spew incorrect information to advance your agenda..

Oil Drilling to Resume in the Gulf’s Deep Waters
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/business/energy-environment/01drill.html

U.S. Backs Shell Plan to Drill 3 Gulf Wells
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703858404576214972099622588.html

Exxon Mobil gets in on Gulf permit action Approval is fourth since lifting of ban
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7486847.html

 

[riverc0il]

And scientists don't do anything other than sit around in labs and play with atoms. Doing real work is the realm of engineers.

Engineers are not scientists? :blink:

I think I hit a nerve, LOL. :lol:

 

[dmc]

If they shut the plants down... What will PuckIt talk about while belittling people who attempt to join the conversation?

 

[ctenidae]

Really they should just close South Dakota. Put all the plants there in one spot.

Of course, then you have to deal with all the health effects from having high tension lines running all over the country. And nobody wants those in their backyards, either.

NIMBYs are one thing, BANANAs are even worse (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything)

 

[mondeo]

Would like to see Feds giving private industry with the skills the go ahead to step up with some top level nuclear physicists doing independent inspection of plants. What I've often seen/heard, maybe wrong..y/n?..is that the system(NRC), which conducts the inspecting/policing of operations....is sometimes...partially in bed with the plant owners.... You wash my back = you'll get all our work....etc.

The whole regulator being too cozy with industry thing is always an outsider looking in. Oh no, no fine for a clerical mistake that was self-reported! Must be because the regulator and regulatee are in bed with each other! It can't be that the problem was already corrected and fixes put in place to prevent future occurances, and the only thing punishment would serve to do is provide incentive to not report incidents in the future.

 

[ctenidae]

Just making sure you don't spew incorrect information to advance your agenda..

Oil Drilling to Resume in the Gulf’s Deep Waters
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/business/energy-environment/01drill.html

U.S. Backs Shell Plan to Drill 3 Gulf Wells
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703858404576214972099622588.html

Exxon Mobil gets in on Gulf permit action Approval is fourth since lifting of ban
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7486847.html

Just to be clear- those aren't new permits- they're basically re-issues of permits that existed before. But yes, activity is resuming in the Gulf. There's no telling how long it will take to ramp all the way back up, as permits are moving slowly, and quite a few rigs have left (we sent ours to West Africa).

Offshore Brazil is showing discoveries 7-8 times the size of anything found in the Gulf, at the same depths. Based on that alone, rigs are going to move to Brazil. And Brazil has tigher regulations thn GoM did, AND you have to have Petrobras as a partner (mandatory 30% operator in most cases). Even still, the economics on those wells are hard to beat. Especially at 85% success rates, compared to 35% in the Gulf.

 

[Puck it]

Just making sure you don't spew incorrect information to advance your agenda..

Oil Drilling to Resume in the Gulf’s Deep Waters
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/01/business/energy-environment/01drill.html

U.S. Backs Shell Plan to Drill 3 Gulf Wells
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703858404576214972099622588.html

Exxon Mobil gets in on Gulf permit action Approval is fourth since lifting of ban
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/business/7486847.html

Your need the rigs to drill. A piece of paper does not get oil.
http://yoursinglesourcefornews.com/deep-water-oil-drilling-rigs-leaving-the-gulf-region/1712/

 

[mondeo]

Engineers are not scientists? :blink:

I think I hit a nerve, LOL. :lol:

Nah, I was just using the opportunity to make fun of scientists.

Engineers apply, scientists discover. The line does get blurry between the two.

 

[Puck it]

If they shut the plants down... What will PuckIt talk about while belittling people who attempt to join the conversation?

Why is ddt such a dick wad? Never mind, I know the answer.

 

[Puck it]

Nah, I was just using the opportunity to make fun of scientists.

Engineers apply, scientists discover. The line does get blurry between the two.

There is one thing that physicists and mathematicians agree on. We both hate engineers.

 

[mondeo]

There is one thing that physicists and mathematicians agree on. We both hate engineers.

A mathematician, an engineer, and a physicist are out hunting together. They spy a deer in the woods. The physicist calculates the velocity of the deer and the effect of gravity on the bullet, aims his rifle and fires. Alas, he misses; the bullet passes three feet behind the deer. The deer bolts some yards, but comes to a halt, still within sight of the trio. "Shame you missed," comments the engineer, "but of course with an ordinary gun, one would expect that." He then levels his special deer-hunting gun, which he rigged together from an ordinary rifle, a sextant, a compass, a barometer, and a bunch of flashing lights which don't do anything but impress onlookers, and fires. Alas, his bullet passes three feet in front of the deer, who by this time wises up and vanishes for good. "Well," says the physicist, "your contraption didn't get it either." "What do you mean?" pipes up the mathematician. "Between the two of you, that was a perfect shot!"

 

[ctenidae]

There is one thing that physicists and mathematicians agree on. We both hate engineers.

There are 4 kinds of numbers people in the business world:
Accountants, for whom 2+2=4, always and forever;
Finance folks, for whom 2+2=4, but this time we're going to count it as a 5;
Economists, for whom the relationship between 2 and 2 varies inversely as the marginal benefit of bellybutton lint;
and Marketing folks, for whom 2+2=...well, what would you like it to equal?

 

[dmc]

Your need the rigs to drill. A piece of paper does not get oil.

Really??? - cause i have a lose leaf notebook out and getting ready to drill a mile beneath the ocean.. :roll: :roll: :roll:

You need a piece of paper to drive a car as well.. It doesn't start the car but it's the law - you need the paper to legally drive...

I'm more against deep water drilling then I am nukes...

 

[dmc]

There is one thing that physicists and mathematicians agree on. We both hate engineers.

What scares me is that you think your a physicist...

One things for sure - someone is always on the wrong side of things in your world.. And you broadcast it...

 

[dmc]

There are 4 kinds of numbers people in the business world:
Accountants, for whom 2+2=4, always and forever;
Finance folks, for whom 2+2=4, but this time we're going to count it as a 5;
Economists, for whom the relationship between 2 and 2 varies inversely as the marginal benefit of bellybutton lint;
and Marketing folks, for whom 2+2=...well, what would you like it to equal?

awesome....

 

[dmc]

Offshore Brazil is showing discoveries 7-8 times the size of anything found in the Gulf, at the same depths. Based on that alone, rigs are going to move to Brazil. And Brazil has tigher regulations thn GoM did, AND you have to have Petrobras as a partner (mandatory 30% operator in most cases). Even still, the economics on those wells are hard to beat. Especially at 85% success rates, compared to 35% in the Gulf.

sounds like gold - for everyone! Isn't the ocean rougher there?

 

[Puck it]

What scares me is that you think your a physicist...

One things for sure - someone is always on the wrong side of things in your world.. And you broadcast it...

Wow. You are more of a train wreck then I thought. And you broadcast it all the time.