Perfect New England tree ski

[mishka]

I've been around here for little bit.

To put jokes aside I can certainly make moguls dedicated skis or mogul/all mountain skis in one.

 

[BenedictGomez]

IMO turn radius cannot be taken out of context to determine ski performance for different conditions. TR part of ski design and will work together with other dimensions and ski construction.

Here is a good example. I attached two ski designs. One classic mogul skis. Second "slightly modified" SAME general design parameters into all Mountain ski.

sorry dimensions hard to see.
mogul skis 92-65-82 in 150cm modified dimensions132-105-122 in 180cm

With your above example:

Tip = 43.5% bigger

Waist = 61.5% bigger

Tail = 48.8% bigger

Perhaps I'm thinking about this too literally, but if exporting a "mogul ski" into the trees and increasing surface area is the goal, why are the above dimensions as such?

For instance, if I just took the mogul ski and made all dimensions 50% larger, which would greatly increase float, I'd get: 138-98-123.

 

[mishka]

numbers in my example is not percentage it 40 mm wider in all three dimension maintaining a running length and turn radius the same.
+40mm was done simply for example while maintaining major dimensions and creating absolutely different skis
If you have specific numbers in mind let me have it and I'll post drawings for the skis.
So far skis I designed and built exceed all expectations. in this thread I'm trying to help cannonball to design his next skis

maybe I build in the future plus 30 version

 

[Cannonball]

So far skis I designed and built exceed all expectations. in this thread I'm trying to help cannonball to design he's next pair skis

Exactly! and Exactly! (and thanks!)

I should point out that I've been working on this design with Mishka for the past few weeks. It turns out that I'm not going to be able to do this build this fall. I'm just way to over-committed to other things. Hopefully next year. So maybe that leaves some free time for Mishka??? I'd highly recommend working with him for a rare opportunity to be hands-on in your own design/build.

 

[jack97]

well... I can make mogul skis. so far didn't find needs or interest in those

shirley you must be joking.....

I thought Hart asking for over $1K MSRP was nuts but the A-10 makes the F17 look like a bargain basement deal.

bomber A-10

 

[deadheadskier]

pricey stuff. never heard of Bomber before.

 

[mishka]

shirley you must be joking.....

I thought Hart asking for over $1K MSRP was nuts but the A-10 makes the F17 look like a bargain basement deal.

bomber A-10

of course I know about F17. But I have no need for mogul dedicated skis yet and except for this thread nobody even asked if I can make them. However based on MR110 performance in moguls last season I have no doubts of great performance MR-M skis....somebody have to want of one of those.
DHS bom through moguls on MR110 like they are moguls skis IIRC :wink:

 

[Cannonball]

of course I know about F17. But I have no need for mogul dedicated skis yet and except for this thread nobody even asked if I can make them. However based on MR110 performance in moguls last season I have no doubts of great performance MR-M skis....somebody have to want of one of those.
DHS bom through moguls on MR110 like they are moguls skis IIRC :wink:

I took your MR110's through the bumps on Paulie's....I didn't even notice the bumps were there!!!

 

[deadheadskier]

After skiing some bumps with the 110 I looked back and saw corduroy

 

[mishka]

with review like this8)8) who need moguls dedicated skis. Can't wait to get out on my new MR100

 

[jack97]

of course I know about F17. But I have no need for mogul dedicated skis yet and except for this thread nobody even asked if I can make them. However based on MR110 performance in moguls last season I have no doubts of great performance MR-M skis....somebody have to want of one of those.
DHS bom through moguls on MR110 like they are moguls skis IIRC :wink:

"high end" mogul ski are going for $1k plus. If you can play in this market as well....then as DHS said you can quit your day job. Maybe you can hire some of us as your pool boy.

 

[mishka]

"high end" mogul ski are going for $1k plus. If you can play in this market as well....then as DHS said you can quit your day job. Maybe you can hire some of us as your pool boy.

I have no intention to play in any markets or compete with production skis or make any models to offer.
what I make one-of-a-kind one pair skis at a time within specification I designed or in case of this thread CB chooses. this where I strings who wants my skis will find me

 

[Not Sure]

Mishka
What are your thouhts on Camber for Mogul skis?
My all time favorite skis were Rosi freestyle 160cm they were a bit small could have used 170's, A little side cut but relatively narrow with a lot of camber. In my experience they were like coiled springs and would almost turn themselves especially in tight bumps. I beat the hell out of them and had to re mount the bindings with helicoils.
I would love to have a modern day set. But these days all the talk is about rocker.

 

[mishka]

I can only speak for my own skis they have a minimum camber 0 to 5 mm at best. Wonder if you skis have metal in them?
so if my MR110 work nicely in the bumps than big camber is not necessary. I use no metal instead a lot of carbon fiber that in itself reduce weight and create strong rebound.sorry couldn't be more helpful.
btw MR110 and new MR100 have a decent amount of rocker in them

here more story on my skis
http://forums.alpinezone.com/showthread.php/129256-My-new-skis

 

[deadheadskier]

Rossi 4M were my favorite bump skis.

But, that thought could just be nostalgia. I've never skied a modern bump ski. I had the 4Ms and 7Ms back in the day and Salomon Force9 3S. The Salomons were pretty fantastic, but had zero durability. After 20 days the foam cores were shot on those skis. They were one of if not the first "cap design" skis with foam core as opposed to traditional wood torsion box traditional construction. I also delaminated the tips on a couple of pairs, but they were cool with the warranty.

 

[Brad J]

Rossi 4s were my favorite bump ski ,softer in the tip area and stiffer in the tails ,very quick, skied 204cm , I still see some very good bump skiers with salmon straight skies. I am not sure what design will give the same feel in bumps as the old straight ski did, but would love to test some wider mogul only skis, The best modern ski I have tried in bumps was a Kastle BMX88. They were really fun in bumps. I find modern shaped ski to hooky when applying tip pressure to control speed in bumps.

 

[Abubob]

My all time favorite skis were Rosi freestyle 160cm they were a bit small could have used 170's, A little side cut but relatively narrow with a lot of camber. In my experience they were like coiled springs and would almost turn themselves especially in tight bumps. I beat the hell out of them and had to re mount the bindings with helicoils.
I would love to have a modern day set. But these days all the talk is about rocker.

These were all foam core. No wonder you beat the crap out of them. While foam core skis are light and lively they do not live very long.

 

[Domeskier]

shirley you must be joking.....

I thought Hart asking for over $1K MSRP was nuts but the A-10 makes the F17 look like a bargain basement deal.

bomber A-10

According to the website, their customs skis begin at $7,500 and can exceed six figures with inlays of precious metals like rose gold. Mishka needs to get in on something like this!!

 

[mishka]

okay you talk me into it lol
I'll make mogul skis . Maybe not moguls dedicated skis to start with.
For now I'm thinking slightly modified classic mogul skis design into Eastern all mountain skis. Look at it like street legal race car.
Once I put my thoughts together I'll start a new thread

 

[Savemeasammy]

okay you talk me into it lol
I'll make mogul skis . Maybe not moguls dedicated skis to start with.
For now I'm thinking slightly modified classic mogul skis design into Eastern all mountain skis. Look at it like street legal race car.
Once I put my thoughts together I'll start a new thread

You will find no shortage of skiers willing to demo these skis for you!


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