Perfect New England tree ski

[deadheadskier]

Holy crap you people over think this stuff.

I don't think one can design a "perfect" NE tree ski. Everyone has a different preference for what they like.

Personally, the best ski I've tried in the trees in the east was a Volkl Gotama from a couple of years ago. Whatever model year they had out during Nemo.

 

[Abubob]

You're referring to skidding. Maybe I'm wrong, but conceptually, it seems to me that the relationship with the geometric math involved in turn radius is broken when we talk about skidding rather than carving.

Yes you are wrong. That is why I stated my response "even with skidding .... " Learn something about the physics of self-steering with respect to the physics of skiing - even while skidding.

I prefer the term "buttering".

 

[Abubob]

Holy crap you people over think this stuff.

Slow day at work.

 

[BenedictGomez]

Holy crap you people over think this stuff.

This is probably the most factually accurate comment in the thread.

I prefer the term "buttering".

I've heard of "buttering the turn", but I have no idea what it means.

 

[Scruffy]

Yeah, that doesn't help me. I'm thinking about the turn radius mathematically, and it refers to arc. Once we break that relationship of arc, as we 100% factually are with skidding, I don't understand why radius as a metric, matters.

Not true. Yes, with a skidded turn you've broken a clean arc; however in a skidded turn, the skis are still bending and arcing. Once you bend a ski, anyway you get there, the math comes into play. Again, I'm not talking about a hockey stop here. I'm talking about a skidded turn, which is what your goto turn would be in tight NE trees. BTW, pure carves, even in world cup racing always have a little skid in them.

So you can say......


And maybe it winds up being completely true, but I don't see how it can be specifically due to the math involved in calculating radius. FWIW, I also have no idea what "self-steering" means either. Maybe I'll make it a point to demo something with a 14 radius immediately followed by a 24 radius and try them in the trees to see.

I thought, from previous posts you've made on this forum, that you were a seeker of knowledge. Oh I get it, it's not political enough for you to bother looking up :-D

Here, I spoon feed ya http://www.real-world-physics-problems.com/physics-of-skiing.html

It's not the only information out there, but it will get you started. There is a section in the middle on skidded turns.

 

[Scruffy]

Holy crap you people over think this stuff.

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This is probably the most factually accurate comment in the thread.

Oh come-on, you can go on ad nauseam about some political injustice or the other. This is skiing man, that's what we're here to talk about.

 

[Cannonball]

Full rocker ski are just that. Cannonball showed me a pair of Volkl skis with full camber. (what models were those Cannonball?) I was amazed that the rise started only a few inches from the toe. The Legends I just picked up show a rise maybe five or six inches from the tip. I just see very little use for a full rocker ski in the east.

Volkl Shiro.

Again, "rocker" has become an industry buzzword, so buyer beware.

I agree. But in this case it is as advertised.

 

[Abubob]

I've heard of "buttering the turn", but I have no idea what it means.

Think of spreading or smearing butter on toast or bread.

 

[SkiingInABlueDream]

Parabolic....that's a word I haven't heard in awhile

That and "shaped" and "super sidecut".

 

[SkiingInABlueDream]

In my experience tree & glade skiing always involves bumps or moguls. Whether there's a foot of fresh on top or ice or bare ground in between, bumps and frequently rocks and stumps must be dealt with. To that end, a good tree ski for me is one that's generally soft flexing and easy to skid the tails around, mid-fat width (90-100 ish?), with nicely dulled edges, lightweight bindings with low-stand height, and perhaps most importantly the skis are already beat up well enough that I feel too bad about new damage when I decide not to adjust my line for rocks.
Bottom line I guess ski design is not really a factor for me w.r.t. tree skiing.

 

[MadMadWorld]

While you guys are measuring your.....skis. I'll beating all yo asses to the pow pow

 

[dlague]

Good advice. Honestly I'm really not. I just find the discussion interesting. The reality is that I don't believe that any of these things make a whole lot of difference. It boils down to the skier much more than the skis. Guys were skiing Dodge's Drop on wooden skis with leather boots back in the day. But it's fun talking through the design process. And I can't wait to get out there on skis that I had a hand in building locally!!

BTW: I already have the perfect New England Tree ski: It's 163cm long, 255mm underfoot, dual camber profile, sidecut radius of 7.9 m.....and you stand sideways on it.

Ha good one!


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[dlague]

Volkl Shiro.



I agree. But in this case it is as advertised.

We have a pair of Volkl Chopstick that are full rocker that I use maybe 3 times per season - otherwise they are squirrelly! Stickly for powder days.



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[Tin]

While you guys are measuring your.....skis. I'll beating all yo asses to the pow pow

I just pictured your geeky ass saying this with an 80s colored ski suit and headband.

 

[MadMadWorld]

Never underestimate the power of the fart bag

 

[mishka]

IMO turn radius cannot be taken out of context to determine ski performance for different conditions. TR part of ski design and will work together with other dimensions and ski construction.

Here is a good example. I attached two ski designs. One classic mogul skis. Second "slightly modified" SAME general design parameters into all Mountain ski.

sorry dimensions hard to see.
mogul skis 92-65-82 in 150cm modified dimensions132-105-122 in 180cm

 

[deadheadskier]

You make mogul skis?

Start pumping out some in the 175 range on this website and you'd be able to quit your day job. :lol:

 

[Savemeasammy]

Mogul skis in 150? Huh? DHS is right, shoot for 175.


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[mishka]

You make mogul skis?

Start pumping out some in the 175 range on this website and you'd be able to quit your day job. :lol:

well... I can make mogul skis. so far didn't find needs or interest in those

 

[deadheadskier]

You must be new here. :lol: