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Pico Mountain 1/08/2011

deadheadskier

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Date(s) Skied: Saturday, January 8th, 2011

Resort or Ski Area: Pico Mountain

Conditions: 5-6 inches of fresh on top of granular and hardpack man made surfaces.

Trip Report:

No photos as I forgot to charge my camera battery after Friday at Pats. Not sure if others have issues with their camera batteries draining quick in the cold, but mine certainly does. I hit Pat's on Friday with a full charge, snapped about 12 photos and when I pulled it out at Pico it was dead.

Anyways..........

The 6 inches of snow of fresh on Saturday turned it into a much better day than expected. Pico is not tied into Killington's snowmaking system, so their capabilities are pretty limited. They only had about 30% of their terrain open via snowmaking. Most of the mountain was out of play including my favorite areas: A Slope, the Outback terrain Pod, Upper Giant Killer down to Brich Glade and Summit Glade. I did check out a bit of 'reserved' terrain on lower Sunset 71, but the nights storm wasn't enough to make me want to explore more. The terrain is simply too rocky to ski well with a 2 inch crust base and 6 inches of fresh on top.

So, the day was spent lapping the 3 upper mountain trails that were open; Pike, Upper KA, 49er. For most of the day it was skiing on cut up 6 inches of fresh on top of a Frozen Granular base. Only the middle third of Upper Pike was covered with snowmaking base, both sides just the 6 inches on top of crust. Upper KA was wall to wall coverage, had a few bumps in the middle of it. That trail is one of my favorite classic narrowish New England trails. You throw that trail on pretty much any well known mountain and it would get talked about a lot. 49er was full coverage as well and definitely the most crowded run on the mountain being the only intermediate trail from the summit.

The best snow was definitely on middle Pike skiers right. It was all natural on that side of the trail, but because it is low angle, there wasn't as much wind scouring and the base was deep to just bomb out in the cut up powder. It was nice that there's a traverse over from Upper KA and 49er to hit this every run.

Only complaint I have for the day was the B - slope trail being reserved for race practice. As this was the only trail open off that triple, they had not only their own private trail, but their own lift reserved for them. Now, almost every day I've skied this season, I've encountered trails reserved for racing programs and closed to the public. I did on Friday at Pats Peak, I did on Sunday at Okemo. I'm cool with it. However, in the case of Pico on Saturday, it's January 8th, you have 30% of your terrain open, that one extra trail and lift would've essentially added 25% more terrain variety for the intermediate an up skier. Pico is owned by Killington. The right decision would've been to bus the Pico race program up to Killington for the day and open up B slope for the regular crowd.

There were areas of awesome turns on Saturday, but unfortunately so much of the terrain at Pico was closed due to lack of snowmaking. I love the place, but it's not somewhere that will get much consideration unless I know there's been a lot of recent natural snow. Kind of sad really. My home mountain Ragged kinda sucks at making snow. Pico is worse.
 

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Thanks for the Pico report! I have two vouchers and have been waiting for enough terrain to open. Haven't skied there in a dozen years... since the last I raced there...

Only complaint I have for the day was the B - slope trail being reserved for race practice. As this was the only trail open off that triple, they had not only their own private trail, but their own lift reserved for them. Now, almost every day I've skied this season, I've encountered trails reserved for racing programs and closed to the public. I did on Friday at Pats Peak, I did on Sunday at Okemo. I'm cool with it. However, in the case of Pico on Saturday, it's January 8th, you have 30% of your terrain open, that one extra trail and lift would've essentially added 25% more terrain variety for the intermediate an up skier. Pico is owned by Killington. The right decision would've been to bus the Pico race program up to Killington for the day and open up B slope for the regular crowd.
There's a lot more to it than that. I am sure Killington already had trails off line for racing as well and didn't want to take more trails off line. Also, racing is not pro-bono and the area is making money off the racing so those are paying guests as well. Most mountains have dedicated race trails and B Slope is Pico's race trail. If it was Pico's race team, those could be racers and families with connections to Pico that want to be at Pico. I thought I read somewhere that the Pico race program was actually paying to keep that lift turning? Sorry for the hearsay on that one, I think I heard something to that effect but I am not sure and don't quote me.
 

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Sounds like despite what the management has said in the past Pico is still underfunded. I know that they have sold a ton of season passes and that last season they made more snow. Pico, like Burke, really needs natural snow for folks to fully appreciate what it has to offer. Now they used to blow snow on Upper Giant Killer but I think that the line has since rusted away. :( At least they got Upper KA going.

As to the racing question as Riv said that is the Pico Ski Club's main venue and they can only stay at Pico when it is open. I'm sure you could sneak over there when they finished and find some nice turns. A-Slope also used to have snowmaking as well.

Sounds like the Pico I recall--awesome when it snows, pretty sad when it doesn't. Lots of potential there but you need to invest some money to make it work.
 

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Thanks for the report. Did you use your freebie?

i've only been to Pico a handful of times. 2 of which were in or right after a big dump and it was great skiing.

i have the DMB voucher that some people said might not be honored, hopefully i'll get to use it.
 

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Only complaint I have for the day was the B - slope trail being reserved for race practice. As this was the only trail open off that triple, they had not only their own private trail, but their own lift reserved for them. Now, almost every day I've skied this season, I've encountered trails reserved for racing programs and closed to the public. I did on Friday at Pats Peak, I did on Sunday at Okemo. I'm cool with it. However, in the case of Pico on Saturday, it's January 8th, you have 30% of your terrain open, that one extra trail and lift would've essentially added 25% more terrain variety for the intermediate an up skier. Pico is owned by Killington. The right decision would've been to bus the Pico race program up to Killington for the day and open up B slope for the regular crowd.

As already noted by some others, in a season like this, racing income becomes a much larger piece of the revenue pie (and is just about the only 'guaranteed' part of it).

Assuming they were using the timing system, the whole operation is not quite portable. On the equipment front, one has to consider the timing system wiring, communication system wiring, start ramps, etc. On the snow front, one has to consider that a race course requires a much deeper base than a recreational ski trail. On the safety front, a race course has to be wider than most recreational ski trails.

I believe Killington is in a similar boat (based upon what I saw a few days ago), in that they have a lot less terrain open right now than usual. For the business as a whole, it probably makes more sense to keep the racers on the secondary mountain (Pico), rather than add more stress to the main mountain (Killington).
 

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From the looks of it, there were maybe 15 junior racers. There didn't appear to be an actual race or really even intense practice.

If it was pre Xmas, I totally get it. Post holiday with so little terrain open, I think the right customer service decision to make would be to have them join the K race team for the day. I wouldn't offer that suggestion if Pico and Killington weren't owned by the same company. Heck, I'm sure the racers probably would enjoy practicing on a different hill for a day.

Not a huge gripe, but my suggestion is what my decision would be if I were involved with mountain operations for Powdr. Really no major inconvenience for the racers, improved variety of product for walk up guests.
 

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....or a second option would've been to reserve part of middle Pike. It's a super wide trail; more than enough space to accommodate a race practice on the skiers left side and the regular guests on the right.
 

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Thanks for the report. Did you use your freebie?

I used the Warren Miller twofer. I did overhear in the base lodge that they were having diffiiculty scanning the DMB bar code and had to enter manually. So, I think they're accepting them, but I will be calling ahead before I use mine. Think it will be the Monday after the Superbowl if things look decent coverage wise.
 

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To be honest though if the racers were not there I doubt that they would have even spun the triple for that one trail on a weekend day. Knowing the management they would have saved the money.
 
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Heck, I'm sure the racers probably would enjoy practicing on a different hill for a day.
I think the bigger issue would be breaking up a routine. If I showed up for a race at one mountain and was told we had to pack up and drive to a different mountain, that would surely throw off my mental approach for the morning. As a racer, you show up and want to get at it, not be ported somewhere else. Racing is racing, practicing on a different hill really isn't something to get excited about. If there was no race and it was only a small group of kids, sounds like it was Pico's ski race club. Don't want to piss off the parents either... the parents that choose to make Pico their home... they expect their kids to race there. Its just not so simple is all I am saying. Just for one trail? Was it really that big of a deal?

If anything, the mountain gains in having the racers completely segregated from the rest of the skiing population. Many mountains this is not the case and you have racers causing havoc "racing" between the lift and the start of the gates.

threecy makes good points regarding race setup. Timing, shack, etc. You also need gates. With the Triple at Pico, they don't need to rope neighboring trails or overly burden patrol either.
 

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I know I am repeating what others have said but yeah, when Pico has the goods it rocks! Hopefully will get back there this season with summit open. It was closed due to winds on my last visit in February
 
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